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[presently no screen name]

the largest industry on their island




The largest 'legitimate' industry. Wonder what their unemployment figures are. Hopefully, their casino dealers looked elsewhere for work.

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This is a travel review of the ABC islands. This section is about Aruba.
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Aruba
After the cultural depth of Curaçao and the wide-open spaces of Bonaire, Aruba suffered greatly by comparison -- and not just because I didn't win in the casinos. All three islands have oil refineries, for instance. It's just that on Aruba, the refinery is next door to otherwise beautiful Rodgers Beach. Being islands, all three necessarily have shipping operations. It's just that on Aruba, the warehouses butt up against the low-rise hotel zone, where I spent three nights at the just-face-lifted Divi Village Golf & Beach Resort, across the road from Druif Beach, in a room showing its age and smelling strongly of mildew.

Arikok National Park covers more than 13 square miles, or one-fifth of this 19-mile long, 6-mile-wide island. It's an important hedge against rampant development by the 100,000-plus people who live elsewhere on Aruba. But something very important is missing among the giant cactus, stranded sand dunes and weirdly twisted divi trees: Where are the lizards?

Even Aruba's most famed and photographed landmark, the Natural Bridge, is gone. The 100-foot-long seaside arch collapsed Sept. 2, 2005, under pressure from the pounding surf that formed it. Seek the simplicity of The Chapel of Our Lady of Alto Vista, on a hilltop above the sea, and before very many minutes, the tranquillity will be broken by the buzz of ATVs.

For me, the fun of shopping Oranjestad's marina-front tourist zone was blunted by the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Alabama native Natalee Holloway, last seen alive here; the perpetual traffic jam and dearth of parking spaces along L.G. Smith Boulevard; and on Main Street, anti-Alabama graffiti, apparently a reaction to Alabama's call for a boycott of Aruba.

Aruba's saving grace may be its restaurants. In the high-rise hotel zone of Palm Beach, ask for an outside table at the Hyatt Regency's continental restaurant Ruinas del Mar, and you'll be dining at the edge of a koi pond graced by black swans. Settle in for several Belgian-French courses at Le Dôme, across from Eagle Beach, and you may not want to eat anywhere else the rest of your stay.

When it comes time to say goodbye, have dinner at La Tratoria el Faro Blanco. It's the hilltop restaurant at the foot of the California Lighthouse on the northwest tip of the island. What you'll remember won't be the actual meal but the view across the island's lights, glimmering in the dark.

http://www.newsday.com/travel/am-islandsjan20,0,5953255.story?page=2&coll=ny-travel-headlines

[justche]

I'm with you! I think Dave Halloway is a man of honor, who's heart has almost been torn out - I think he's done everything possible to bring his girl home. I just hope at some point he's able to.

[shebacal]

I think Dave will use money from the book to continue to search for Natalee.

[shebacal]

...Aruba, SO FAR, is willing to sacrifice the largest industry on their island, just to protect this OBVIOUS CRIMINAL.

It's hard to believe that one Dutch failed judge can have such clout.

I am working on translating an article, in 'Diario' on Jan 13th, that says an American doctor and his 19 year old wife with long blond hair like Natalee's, went to Aruba because they were divorcing (obvious reason, no?). While there she became down, wanted drugs, met a black security guard to buy drugs, didn't pay him, he treatened her that something bad would happen if she didn't pay him.

This was a few days before Natalee arrived. They stayed in the same room as Natalee at the Holliday Inn. The buying of drugs and the payment of money by the wife (whose hair looked like Natalee's) took place behind the hotel near the pool.

They left Aruba, and in July were watching the news together (even though they were divorcing) when they saw a picture of one of the security guards in Natalee's case, (who else to pin it on and collect the reward money?) who the wife said she recognized as the drug dealer.

So, they made a trip back to Aruba, reported the incident to the police, and informed Beth and Jug, all according to the article.

There are several words in the article that I can't transle so far, but that is the gist of the story.

Those security gurards and any other black security guards on Aruba have a big targent on their backs to be used as scapegoats, while the criminals go free. The security guards must be getting nervous after reading this article in 'Diario'. The frame just might be getting worked-up for a better fit.

[shebacal]

I think papa sloot will buy the book hoping he can sue Dave; and Dave hoping he will so he can get papa in court any way he can, IMO.

Well now PNSN, you have a very devious mind. I like your theory.

[shebacal]

...he ad libbed about finding justice something along the lines of "roundin' up in Aruba"!!

That's amazing. Aruba is getting a public name for itself, but not the one they want.

[shebacal]

transle = translate

Correction: the buying of the drugs took place behind the hotel near the pool, but apparently the wife didn't pay for the drugs and then wanted to abandon Aruba to go back to America.

There is also something about:
"He tells that his ex-wife is convinced that thing probably happen is that Natalee was going to her bedroom, was same route that she was taking all night, where that he of dark color will believe that was the another young woman and accomplish with the menaza with past to make."

This seems to imply that after the couple left Aruba, Natalee went to her bedroom along the same route that the non-drug-paying-wife went to meet the black security guard, and implies that he mistook Natalee for the dead-beat drug customer.

I forgot that, at one point, the black man was accompanied by a white man.

If I can get this article in a more readable format, I'll post it.

[presently no screen name]

The security guards must be getting nervous after reading this article in 'Diario'. The frame just might be getting worked-up for a better fit.


If Dave has this in his book, I will believe it. Other than that, Diaro has it's agenda. Why point out she is 19 and has hair just like Natalee's and slept in the same room. Gee, next we will hear her husband's name is Joran.

How much was she buying that she had no money? Surely she wasn't destitute, surely she had some gambling money. If she was feeling down, her husband, the 'doctor', surely could have prescribed something for her. Then add those same words 'something bad would happen' and bingo - case solved - 19/blond hair/something bad happened. "Like you said, 'working it up for a better fit'.

Aruba lies so much one would think they could do a better job at it. Lies got them in this mess and they think more lies will get them out of it. In Aruba, truth is dangerous and life-threatening.

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http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/.

Amigoe: Spokesperson blunders: ‘There is no declaration on sex’

January 21st, 2006

From Amigoe: Spokesperson blunders: ‘There is no declaration on sex’; January 21, 2006

Steve Cohen has the feeling that he didn’t do that bad in Dr. Phil’s show

(Didn’t do that bad? Steve Cohen may want to read what his supporters are saying after the appearance on the Dr. Phil Show. He does not have to worry about the people who questioned his motives prior to the interview, but those that supported him. What was the Amigoe comment? That was the second time that the spokesperson of the Strategic Communications Task Force had failed big time.)

ARUBA — Steve Cohen, spokesperson of the Strategic Communications Task Force, indicated that he didn’t mean to say that the two main suspects had actually told him that they had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. “None of the boys have declared that they had consensual sex with her. The official viewpoint on this has not changed.”

Cohen says that he made the statement after questions on the possible interrogation of Holloway’s fellow travelers. He only wanted to give an example of a reason why these young folks have to be interrogated. He says that it has to do with amongst others Holloway’s position at the time she got into the car with the boys. “Come to think about it; I should have used the word ‘if’ in front of the statement; that would have made it clear.” Meanwhile, there is a declaration on the website ‘Aruba Truth’ that clarifies Cohen’s words.

(Just for clarity lets post Steve Cohen’s exact quoted comment that Aruba the Truth even posted on their web site:

“Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice,” said Cohen.

Cohen was guest in Dr. Phil’s TV-show of yesterday afternoon. “It was a very difficult experience. I knew that I was going to be the only person to defend Aruba against three other persons, Beth Twitty, her lawyer, and Dr. Phil”, said Cohen, who had a very hard time rectifying the statements he made in December last, about the main suspects being interrogated within 10 days. That was the second time that the spokesperson of the Strategic Communications Task Force had failed big time.

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www.al.com/newsflash/

Alabama Senate votes to support boycott of Aruba
1/19/2006, 3:43 p.m. CT
The Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Gov. Bob Riley's call for a tourism boycott of Aruba has picked up support from the Alabama Senate, which says the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has suffered from too many missteps.

On Thursday, the Senate voted 27-0 for a resolution supporting a boycott of the Dutch Caribbean island. Sen. Steve French, R-Birmingham, said he proposed the resolution at the request of the family of Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway.

Holloway disappeared May 30 while on a graduation trip with classmates. She was last seen leaving a bar with a young Dutch national and two Surinamese brothers.

The Senate-passed resolution said a boycott is needed because the investigation into Holloway's disappearance "has been plagued with an unacceptable amount of missteps, miscommunications and inconsistencies."

"It's my hope this will cause the Aruban people to be more demanding that their officials conduct a thorough investigation," French said.

During a special session in July, the Alabama House passed a resolution calling for a boycott of Aruba.

French said the Senate didn't take up the issue in July because the Holloway family wanted to give Aruban authorities more time to conduct their investigation. The family then became concerned about how the investigation was going and joined Riley in November when he called for a boycott. When the Legislature convened for a new session last week, French began a push to get the Senate to act.

Besides Riley, the governors of Georgia and Arkansas have called for a boycott. The governor of Mississippi, where Holloway's father lives, declined to do so.

©2006 al.com. All Rights Reserved.

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Good Grief!! So this is what Dennis Jacobs looks like?

"This is the man who asked Dave Holloway "how much money do you have" at a time when he was searching for Natalee. Ponder that experience for a moment."

Deetch has the human whale's picture at:

http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to "Security Guards Eaten by Dennis Jacobs"

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http://www.amigoe.com/english/



Jacky Croes new Sales director ATA

Jacky Croes is appointed Sales director for the North-American market effective January 1st.

ARUBA – Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) has appointed Jacky Croes as Sales director for the North-American market. This is a new position at ATA. Croes is going to manage all sales activities in the United States and Canada. The first thing she did since her appointment is modernizing the www.meetingsaruba.com, making it easier to surf the web and look for information.

As Sales director, she has to do with all the sales leaders and sales teams that work in North America. Since the fall of 2005, she is also director at the Aruba Convention Bureau (ACB). She has already attracted several MICE-groups (meetings, incentives, conventions, and exhibitions) to Aruba. With the valuable experience that she had gained since, she can now set to work as Sales director.

The Sales director for North America plays an important part in the growth of tourism to Aruba. Croes will have to make sure that the Aruba Certified Experts continue to have the newest means in order to promote Aruba. ATA’s director Myrna Jansen is very satisfied with Croes; she says that Croes can push Aruba in the right direction and help the tourism-figures go up.

Croes was senior manager at the Marriott and the Holyday Inn before she became director at ACB and ATA.

The new modernized website lists ten reasons the choose Aruba as vacation- and business destination. It has tips on hotels and accommodations for business people.

She also wants to modernize www.aruba.com and add information that is of interest to travel agents.

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Country Aruba with no government

ARUBA – Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) came down with the flu.

He hasn’t been at work for an entire week, but he yet tried to work as much as possible from home.

Some of the other ministers are abroad, which means that the council of minister does not have the required quorum and no decisions can be made.

Vice-Prime Minister Marisol Tromp of Education, Social Matters, and Infrastructure is in the Netherlands for private matters;

Eddie Briesen of Tourism and Transportation is in Europe;

Justice-minister Rudy Croes is just back from being gone for week-and-a-half.

Minister Nilo Swaen of Economic Matters and Finance is in Aruba but is busy moving.

The ceiling of his old office almost came down on him, thus he is moving to the Codemsa building in Cumana. Even though he physically can already move to this new office, his phone does not work yet and the ministry cannot function optimally.

[shebacal]

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=27550&sid=c19ecb3717d3d5f741458e88a7fe97ea

Aruba's Promotion Engine Spinning

January 19th 2006, Aruba.

ORANJESTAD-Aruba is being heavily promoted abroad. A large article in the Colombian newspaper Nuevo Siglo was dedicated fully to Aruba. In the article Aruba is praised as “the carnival destination” filled with unlimited fun and festivities. The paper has a circulation of 500,000 copies 70 percent of which destined to Bogota the capital of the country. Colombia is the 6th biggest tourism generating market for Aruba.

In the last two months of 2005 Coca Cola organized a Jam Sweepstake in the U.S. in so to promote their new product "Sprite remix, Aruba Jam" in the northern region of the country. Those that purchased the drink received a ticket they had to fill out and return back to the company with the chance to win one of the 15 trips for two persons to Aruba.

More than 11,000 people participated. Coca Cola has never received such huge response for one of their products in a single region. The sweepstake was such a success that Coca Cola decided to have the lottery expanded for the new drink in other regions and offer Aruba again as the big prize. Both Delta Airlines and Wyndham hotels are co-sponsoring the Aruba trip.

[Palladin]

All the money, or a percentage? Who is paying the two ghostwriters?

Regardless of where the money goes, I think this move is ill-advised. How can the man even THINK of writing a book when his daughter has been gone (and probably dead) for less than a year?

The timing is very poor. This is my own opinion, and I don't care if people flame it.

[deetch]

Are you kidding? The man is not rich and is working full time. What could be ill-advised when this happens to your daughter?

It's easy for you, from your perspective to give advice, but I suggest you donate to his fund and help him bring his daughter home.

The book hopefully will help prevent anyone who reads it from going to Aruba because the boycott and threat of it is working.

Since you want to tell us what's advised and what is ill-advised, let's hear your advice for Dave Holloway?

[Palladin]

My advice: put off the book until the traditional mourning period of one year is up.

[deetch]

When did the mourning period start? He had to endure Aruban claims that she ran away, was sold into sexual slavery and on and on. She is still missing and only recently has the prosecutor hinted she may be dead.

I might have agreed with you if they haven't covered up what they knew, that Joran van der sloot murdered Natalee.

Who do you think is paying for Equusearch and the PI's working in Aruba? It ain't the Aruban govt. They spend their money on people like John Pauly and Steve Cohen.

[Palladin]

I thought Equusearch was funded by donations from many sources, and from the general public.

Nelson is not the greatest publishing house in the land, and if the motive is to raise more money for searching, I fear that many people will be disappointed.

Nelson doesn't publish books for its health, nor as a public service. They take a hefty cut of the profits to cover publicity, overhead, marketing, etc.

Their true story books are poorly done, if John and Patsy Ramsey's book "Death of Innocence", is any example. Thousands of copies were remaindered out and people were buying the book for one dollar less than a year after publication.

IMHO, Nelson is as bad as the tabloids, jumping on headline-making cases and exploiting grieving parents.

That's all I'm going to say about that, so don't bother responding.

[deetch]

too bad, this isn't high art and I really doubt Dave is interested in a glowing review.

I'll buy as many copies as I can. Did you ever think this is a way for a company to donate, you don't know what the deal is and if they make a profit and it helps in any way to bring his daughter home, then to me it's better than most of the books on the best seller list anyway.

Screw the Da vinci code, it was so over-rated. I'll stand behind this decent man, who's best outcome is to bury his daughter.