Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 18

Remember Lizarde, Tacopina is a mob lawyer. How fitting for this case!!

2,141 posted on 03/07/2006 9:09:08 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)

To: Canadian Outrage

I didn't realize he said that in front of her family! At that point, his father was there, also. How Jug held his composure at that point, I don't know. And you are right - that is huge! one more for MrNoCondom

I know you didn't email greta and neither did I. People in media do not like being told they screwed up or tell them how to do their job. They only want to hear good things, so why bother. There is one posted here and her response. Don't know if you saw it. She's doesn't take criticism well, IMO.

Prays for Kelly. He has one major job ahead of him.

2,142 posted on 03/07/2006 9:18:34 PM PST by presently no screen name

that is where we think the incident occured.

I agree w/Dave. His apt. with the three of them. Natalee never made it to the beach. He lost his sneaker when they were getting rid of her body when the gardener saw them. Whatever happening it happened quick - she put up a fight immediately. She could have been slipping in and out because of a blow to her head in the struggle with violent joran.

2,143 posted on 03/07/2006 9:32:13 PM PST by presently no screen name

Another observation.
Joran on PTL:
"...because she said she wanted to go to my house,..."

Joran on Greta:
VAN SUSTEREN: She had no interest in going into your house? She didn't say anything?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, at that point she wanted — she wanted to go see sharks is what she said..."

2,144 posted on 03/07/2006 9:35:19 PM PST by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

It doesn't say which MSNBC program Beth was on when they say she said this.

On 11-30 BETH told “MSNBC” “When I think about what they (the ARUBAN’s and DUTCH) have done, it‘s what they‘ve done all along. They just try to lose focus of these suspects. And really, take the taped interview and set it aside. Let‘s go back to the facts here. You know, they‘ve had evidence all along. They‘ve had a statement from Joran Van Der Sloot that admitted to having sex with my daughter at his home. He has her coming in and out of consciousness. I mean, I think that they are just trying to, you know, lose the focus once again on the suspects.”

2,145 posted on 03/07/2006 9:41:15 PM PST by imaketypos

To: presently no screen name

yeah I noticed she like it too much, she got quite defensive!!

2,146 posted on 03/07/2006 9:45:29 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)

To: freedumb2003

Oh, say, I remember you! You're the guy who told us you have no interest in this case.

Welcome back; glad you changed your mind. heh heh heh

2,147 posted on 03/07/2006 9:49:51 PM PST by LucyT (All terrorist are muslim.)

I, There you have it! Good find!

2,148 posted on 03/07/2006 9:50:46 PM PST by presently no screen name

Beth summed it up right there. This is STILL going on. How many times have we been told that "fireworks" are coming at the "end of this month" or they have a NEW very credible lead and go and poke sticks in the sand. However, when VALID equipment that would work in looking way way down in that sand, the answer is NO WAY is Equusearch getting clearance to do that. Lose focus? Cripes, the only focus this Island and it's crackjack box cops have had is to LOSE focus on the REAL suspects. I venture to say that if a Van der Sloot hadn't been involved there would likely have been solved.

2,149 posted on 03/07/2006 9:56:17 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)

To: presently no screen name

2,151 posted on 03/07/2006 9:57:00 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)

May 30 12:45 am...Joran in another scuffle

Minutes before he took Natalee away in the 'cab', his temper was showing. How much more when he was told, "NO"! by a defenseless captive victim.

2,152 posted on 03/07/2006 9:58:02 PM PST by presently no screen name

To: Canadian Outrage

You are right, all their false promises. They said Fireworks and Kelly is more than happy to oblige. Just a change in location.

2,153 posted on 03/07/2006 10:13:26 PM PST by presently no screen name

To: presently no screen name

They said Fireworks and Kelly is more than happy to oblige. Just a change in location.
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Yep! You got that right!

2,154 posted on 03/07/2006 10:16:10 PM PST by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

i also thought at one point he said he never is without a condom because he is so conscientous and always has one in his wallet...i'll bet the geek had an entire box full in his apartment...

how does the taking of natalee to see his home fit in with his having claimed to be a college student also visiting from the Netherlands and also staying at a hotel? what happened to that story?

2,155 posted on 03/08/2006 7:22:47 AM PST by nuntukamen ("where ever you go, there you are"...Buckaroo Banzai)

To: Vn_survivor_67-68

2,156 posted on 03/08/2006 8:58:37 AM PST by imaketypos

I don't recall Joran saying he is never without a condom. I remember him saying he wouldn't have sex without a condom.

Here's how I see the going to his house element:

The timeline he gave through various questions by Greta leaves a gap. The idea that the missing time would have them sitting in the car in front of his house for close to one hour, maybe a little less seems odd to me. I think he has to put the car in front of his house because they were at his apartment. He did not give the amount of time they were there. When Greta is asking him about going into the house Joran very cleverly begins to talk about sharks, hitler, his ancestory and police reports. This sounds more like deflective chatter. Greta never asks him how long they were there.

Here's why I think he puts himself there but doesn't specify how long. They WERE there, but were inside. Not specifying a time allows for the possiblity that the car was seen parked outside the home. This is the missing hour. Since he was not forthcoming about how long they were there and he did not specify what time they got to the beach he can make the 'just parked in front of the house, but didn't get out' story fit any time someone could say the car was there.

Also, about the sharks...When we were teenagers (like...in the last year or two, haha) we used to go up to a large park where there was a lake. The make-out place. We used to say we were going to watch the submarine races. Wonder if on Aruba they go to 'see the sharks'?

From Greta's Interview:

VAN DER SLOOT: No, just between me and Natalee. We were speaking English to each other and I asked her if she wanted to go back to her hotel and that's when she said that she wanted to — she asked me if I -- if I had a big house or not and then — then she said — I said to her "Do you want to see my house?" And she's like "Yes, I want to go to your house."

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VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever actually make it to your house?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, we did. We actually did stop in front of my house. We got to my house and then, yes then I — then she said she wanted to go see sharks.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why sharks?

VAN DER SLOOT: I have no idea why she wanted to go see sharks and so I was laughing and telling her there's no sharks.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you actually go into your house with her?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, no, no. We never even got out of the car there.

VAN SUSTEREN: She had no interest in going into your house? She didn't say anything?

VAN DER SLOOT: No, at that point she wanted — she wanted to go see sharks is what she said and then she came with a strange story that her mom was Hitler's sister or Hitler's sister's daughter and she was sorry to me for that because — because I don't know if she thought I was German or something and I'm like "I'm Dutch, so I don't really care about anything like that." And I asked, "You're joking right?" And she said, "No, no, no, no, I'm serious. I'm serious."
Just another example of that is, you know, that's a strange story. That makes absolutely no sense. Why would you say something like that if it's not true? But there's actually police reports of one of her friends that says she told her the same thing.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, the whole time you're in the car driving from Carlos 'nCharlie's, stopping for a short time at your house and talking to Natalee, did Deepak and Satish join in the conversation? Are they talking?

VAN DER SLOOT: Not really. We had music on. There was one remark she did make like she told me, she asked me if they were my slaves because they were driving around but Deepak and Satish never ended up hearing that. I told them that afterwards. So, yes, she said in Alabama we consider black people slaves.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so you drive from your house and where is your next, where is the next point you stop the car?

2,157 posted on 03/08/2006 10:01:08 AM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)

Now we need the gardener's timeline. I think the gardener's timeline would fall into the time Joran should have been on the beach or just a few minutes prior.

http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

On 8-17 J. MANSUR said that during his 8-15 testimony and followup questions, the gardener witness said he recognized Principal Suspect J. SLOOT and Current Suspect D. KALPOE sitting in the parked car at 2:30 AM on 5-30, but he did not identify Current Suspect S. KALPOE. MANSUR said it was because the gardener has always stated that Current Suspect S. KALPOE quickly ducked down out of sight. (besides that, all the Suspects admit that the KALPOE brothers were always together until they returned to their home)

On 8-23 J. MANSUR said that the jogger witness saw the Suspects KALPOE’s car in the same location on the dirt road near the “Aruba Racquet Club” that the gardener also saw the car.

2,158 posted on 03/08/2006 10:41:31 AM PST by imaketypos

Huge celebrations from the twisted sickos all over the Hate-Beth, NH's fault she disappeared forums because Beth has a broken leg. All manner of theories about how this could have happened from not true, just for sympathy, Jug did it, Beth kicked her big screen TV because Greta, Joran and the Pineapple Taco are kicking her butt, to just getting what she deserves. Lovely people who wish to see further painful punishment delivered to someone who is suffering the loss of a child. The only difference I see in these people and someone who commits a terrible crime is they don't have the guts to do it, but enjoy celebrating that someone else has. Vicarious psychopaths.

2,159 posted on 03/08/2006 10:42:35 AM PST by penowa

Beth has a broken leg? When did that happen? I have not heard that yet. (Work is driving me crazy. Don't they know how busy I am in this site? Sheesh!)

2,160 posted on 03/08/2006 11:32:34 AM PST by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)

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