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[shebacal]

http://www.arubatruth.com/

To The Readers Of ArubaTruth

January 21st, 2006

I have received much positive response to our defense of Aruba’s conduct in the disappearance case of Natalee Holloway. In Boston, this weekend at the Vacation Expo, many consumers offered their support of our stance and booked their vacations to Aruba.

It was a difficult communication forum, but I did carefully offer the official view of the case, and why we had done nothing to halt or hamper the investigation. In my statements regarding the culpability of the suspects, I offered the view that a case against the suspects was progressing and that it was the goal of the investigation to find them guilty of a range of charges.

I have been critiqued for being too strong on this issue. But, there seems to be no doubt that the prosecution seeks to prove this premise. In the United States, prosecutors regularly claim that the accussed is guilty of the crime, and then they proceed to prove it. Any other language by me on Dr. Phil would have appeared to be a dodge or cover up.

It was a highly charged, negative environment, but we felt that speaking out was better than failing to appear. It seems for most viewers, we presented a reasoned, calm perspective on the case.

It is difficult to speak to the Aruban audience and the American audience at the same time. Still, we were able to make our points:

1.The investigation continues
2.There is an ongoing search for forensic evidence
3.Witnesses in Alabama and Aruba will be questioned

In sum, it was a challenging, but essential opportunity to present the Aruban side of the case. Such efforts to explain our efforts to the American audience will continue, so that charges of corruption, collusion, or apathy in the case will not go unchallenged.

Steve Cohen
Aruba Special Adviser

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Steve Cohen defends Aruba on Dr. Phil

January 21st, 2006

Steve Cohen fielded questions from Dr. Phil, Beth Twitty, and her attorney, John Q. Kelly this past Thursday. The group addressed some of the many issues at hand as the investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway continues.

Simply put, everything depends on one thing, solving this case.

“As we go forward here, the things I just stated are the things I think we are going to attempt to do in the next weeks without a timetable so nobody can come back and say well it didn’t happen in this amount of time.

The only goal, the only reason that I exist or any of this exists is because we have to solve the case. Everything else that is in the best interest of Aruba revolve around that result.

That’s why Beth Holloway Twitty and her family, and the extended family, are our most important business.

And if we’ve made errors in the past, we can be angry about it and as representatives, we can argue it out on our own. But we are not going to argue about the central premise, is that this case has to be solved. We think we’re doing everything we can to solve it. And if we’re wrong, come after us when we’re wrong.

But we’re not going to give up and no amount of pressure is going to say to us that we should take our eye off of this ball.” Steve Cohen on Dr. Phil - January 19, 2006

[Canadian Outrage]

Thank you friend. Please pray that Stephen Harper and his Party make a clean sweep tomorrow and win a MAJORITY. The Liberal BUMS NEED TO BE THROWN OUT!!
THEY ARE ARE PACK OF CRIMINALS!!

[shebacal]

www.scaredmonkeys.net

Posted by sleuth: Sun Jan 22, 2006 1:00 pm

FOX News, 1-21-06, "The Line Up"

Guests: Jossy, Tim Miller - also Mike Sheehan
(Upcoming water search and sand dune search)

San wrote: A little from the LineUp:

By Phone Jossy & Tim Miller on live.

What is going on the island right now in terms of a new search. Jossy said they are searching both on the ocean with Tim Miller one of the best access we could have had in Aruba and they are searching by the lighthouse at the dunes with items sticks pointing and sticking them in the sand to see what they can uncover. Because apparently the police have some additional or new leads that have brought them to these two searches.

Are the new areas that they have never search before are the searching deeper in the sand that they had? Jossy said they are searching deeper in the sand than they had. But they are going over quite a bit of terrine that was already had gone over before.

Tim Miller said the equipment that they are taking over there to do the water is certainly different than what we took before and mainly because they are going to be in 800 to 1,000 feet of water. They are taking magnetometers and underwater cameras that will go that deep. That is not an area that divers are going to be able to dive it is way way too deep so if they locate something they will actually take it to the surface with remote vehicles.

It’s going to be kind of difficult and who knows what all they are going to find out there. As far as the searches going in the sand dunes they have offered ground penetration units at no cost to the Aruban authorities. About anything that they will need we can supply them.

Where did these new tips come from that lead to the searches of these areas deeper and also going back into the water? Jossy they came from a lot of interviews that the police has done in the past two weeks especially in the circle of friends of Joran.

And one witness that they can’t determine who he is or what importance he has to the police but there is one witness that apparently has changed his story that has lead the police to believe that her body is either in the sand dunes or in the ocean in a fish trap that was missing the same early morning that Natalee went missing.

Former police detective Mike Sheehan:

This case has been going on a really long now they are going back does is surprise you that they wouldn’t have searched in this way initially. Mike said it does because they had information right from beginning that these three boys were with her at the light house. The light house is maybe a 100 yards away from these dunes. Obviously you have to check there that’s the first thing you do.

You may do a random check and host said they did a check a now they are going deeper into the sand they are going back into the waters. Does it seem appropriate at this point? Mike said absolutely and also he would besides that just these probes that they have in the sand they should also definitely bring in cadaver dogs.

What about the interviews they did with these three suspects. There was a period of time in the beginning that they talked to them now they let them go and Joran is back in school Should they bring them back again and see if their stories match from what they gave initially.

Mike said absolutely, I mean let’s face facts these guy are definitely involved some how with this girls disappearance. I mean and the father, this is a despicable human being. This guy tell his own son and the other two kids don’t use your cell phone and come up with a story that you could all agree on and this kind of stuff stay off your emails be very careful.

Does your gut tell you this crime can be solved? Mike said absolutely the answer is right there those three kids. You have to bring them back in. In this country we have the system is a grand jury. Host said I know Mike but the Aruban law we learned is very different.

[Canadian Outrage]

Steve Cohen is an IDIOT!! We this, we that - is he an Aruban.? The guy is an American who is on the take.

[presently no screen name]

Yes, I will. He MUST win - Real Americans may need a place come 2008!

[shebacal]

www.scaredmonkeys.net/

Posted by Red: Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:42 pm

Aruba officials take steps to move island's tourism industry ahead (01/20/2006)

By Gay Nagle Myers

SAN JUAN -- Tourism officials in Aruba, while still shattered by the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway last summer and the subsequent worldwide media coverage, especially by cable news networks that continue to allege improprieties in the government’s handling of the investigation, announced a number of initiatives designed to propel its tourism industry forward in 2006.

“Our name recognition has never been higher, for better or worse,” said Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Authority (AHATA). “Despite the publicity surrounding the tragic disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the events that have followed, 2005 was a successful year for Aruba in terms of visitor figures and the launch of new projects on the island. Not all figures are in yet, but we recorded an overall growth of 3% from the U.S. market through October.”

Echoing that sentiment was Edison Briesen, minister of tourism, who addressed the media at the recent Caribbean Marketplace in San Juan.

Briesen outlined several projects in the works on the island:

>The development of a second tourism corridor at Baby Beach on the eastern end of Aruba;

>A $60 million expansion plan at Queen Beatrix International Airport and an expansion of the cruise ship terminal;

>An upgrade and renovation project in downtown Oranjestad;

>The launch of a tourism-training program for locals called The Promise;

>More than $150 million in various hotel renovations;

>The continuation of Aruba’s successful ACE (Aruba Certified Expert) program for agents.

An announcement regarding the purchase of the 152-room Bushiri Hotel, which has been closed and on the market for several years, is expected next month, according to Briesen said. “Several groups are interested in the property, and we expect that negotiations for its purchase will be completed in February. The new property will have 350 rooms and a casino.”

“Aruba had its ups and downs in 2005, but we are looking for a growth of 14% to 15% in tourism numbers and revenues in 2006,” Briesen said. “Safety and hospitality have been the pillars of our tourism industry and will continue to be so.”

Appearing with Briesen at Caribbean Marketplace was Steve Cohen, identified as a crisis manager who has served as an adviser to AHATA and the Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force in the wake of Holloway’s disappearance.

Cohen, senior consultant with the Strategic Message Design Group in Los Angeles and a former journalist and broadcaster, predicted an “important” break on the Holloway case within the next six months, based on accelerated search efforts for forensic DNA evidence and the willingness of Aruban locals to come forward and speak with officials “now that the worldwide media, for the most part, are leaving us alone,” he said.

“We also are able to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation,” said Cohen.

Despite some reports to the contrary, Cohen said that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has been involved in the Holloway case since the first hours of the initial complaint and did remain on Aruba for several months, serving as observers and advisors to the local police. Six FBI agents from Miami arrived within 24 hours of Holloway’s disappearance.

Aruba has been focused on finding Holloway from the outset, Cohen said, citing various government and private search and investigative efforts.

He said that the call for a boycott of Aruba by the governors of Alabama, Arkansas and Georgia has had no effect on the investigation or on tourism to the island, a statement supported by Briesen, who said, “the U.S. South is one of our smaller markets.”

[shebacal]

It is worth while going here:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/22/aruba-officials-take-steps-to-move-islands-tourism-industry-ahead/#comments

to read Scared Monkeys take on the article in post #106.

[Canadian Outrage]

AMEN!!

[shebacal]

www.texasequusearch.org/press_releases.html

This link has some recent news about TES activities, but nothing new about the seach for Natalee on Aruba.

[Canadian Outrage]

Interesting articles Sheba.

[shebacal]

Thanks. I was hoping there would be an update on TES' efforts in the deep water off Aruba. It is not clear to me if they are actually on Aruba, yet.

[Canadian Outrage]

Yeah I'm not sure if they are there yet either. But one thing I can assure you of is that Aruba is "still thinking about the FREE offer" of the use of ground penetrating equipment for their sand dune search. They will never get around to an answer and if they do, it will be no thanks.

[presently no screen name]

Because apparently the police have some additional or new leads that have brought them to these two searches.



I can't help but think this is the only way for Aruba to get some money on the island. New leads/searches would give more than they have now.

I wish Dave or Tim would bring up 'the NO search zone' - PVDS's property - every chance they get.

[LucyT]

St Croix, an example of what can happen (Excerpted)

It is 1972 and St Croix was a very popular tourism destination in the Caribbean. The a horrible murder happens on the island. 2 Couples out playing a round of golf are brutally murdered. The island is in turmoil, and its reputation is destroyed.

And remains that way today. A once thriving tourist destination is a veritable ghost town.
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A few years ago, travel writers Rick Cropp and Barbara Braidwood rated St. Croix the place where you are “most likely to be robbed or murdered on vacation in North America.”
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There has also been a rash of murders in the Virgin Islands recently, with one case making news back in the United States.
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Jamaica has been also rocked by murders that have effected its tourism industry. Vacationers there stay essentially in compounds separated from the local populations, and the tourist towns are very heavily patrolled by police.
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More than 1049 people were killed (in Jamaica) between January and December of 2002.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/07/19/st-croix-an-example-of-what-can-happen-to-aruba/

[presently no screen name]

Thanks, LucyT. Very informative. I hope this takes Aruba off the map. We can use the island for a garbage dump.

[presently no screen name]

Aruban locals to come forward and speak with officials “now that the worldwide media, for the most part, are leaving us alone,” he said.



YES! worldwide, for the most part, is leaving them alone!
I thought they said the boycott wasn't working. ;)

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Good Morning RGVTx,
I can see why aruboo is a haven for criminals like the vds's.

We are watching anti-Americanism at it's best and our politico boys&girls sit on their duffs. Our politicos seem to think, we are not watching their pathetic non-actions.

They should all hang their heads in shame for they have failed, Natalee, the Holloway's, blind justice and America.

Maybe their should be a sign placed in the halls of the house and senate chambers, "Born In Sin, Come On In!"

Natalee's remain's are long gone&disposed.We can thank ALE, the dutch and our low speed high drag apathetic politicians for this subterfuge of justice.

It would be fair to assume that something is on the "low low" with the aruboos and our lacksadaisical leaders.

RGVTX, our so called reperesentatives have a moral and ethical obligation to do what is right for Natalee&America.

When leaders are ineffective, then need to be replaced.

I believe stuffed (toy monkeys) could do a better(J-O-B)

Canvassing For Votes,
NSNR-THM

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"....Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation,” said Cohen."

I'd LOVE the opportunity to spit in this bastards face!

[truthluva]

mark

[RGVTx]

NSNR, I'd like to think there is more going on behind the scenes than it appears. Unfortunately, I see no indications of that. I was sorely disappointed in the Mississippi gov for choosing not to support the boycott. That had to feel like a slap in the face to Dave Holloway.

Even so, I believe the boycott is effective. Natalee's answers may never come, but Aruba will never forget her while they drowned in her blood. We, the people, are pushing Aruba under as we spend our vacation dollars on other destinations.