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To: b_sharp
The ToE does not say that any organism from one Class would ever evolve into an organism from another Class in one generation.

Right, I don't think you fully grasped my point. Evolution has to be a belief, it has to be a theory in even laymans terms because science can not show it happening, they can not demonstrate it, nor recreate it in a labratory...You can not say we have a theory that man evolved from a fish and call that fact without obsevervable proof, like say gravity, that works everytime it's tested. Evolution at best, is ONLY speculation.

You're the one creating a strawman by ignoring the fact that evolution is NOT fact, but only a guess. Yeah, evolution collects what evidence from different fields? Maybe a PIG BONE and points to it as evidence of a man's? You mean surefire evidence like that?

And let me add, Evolution is not only speculative, it's an illogical conclusion to most of the evidence.

590 posted on 12/17/2005 5:52:38 PM PST by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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597 posted on 12/17/2005 5:56:02 PM PST by furball4paws (The new elixir of life - dehydrated toad urine.)
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To: sirchtruth
"Right, I don't think you fully grasped my point. Evolution has to be a belief, it has to be a theory in even laymans terms because science can not show it happening, they can not demonstrate it, nor recreate it in a labratory...You can not say we have a theory that man evolved from a fish and call that fact without obsevervable proof, like say gravity, that works everytime it's tested. Evolution at best, is ONLY speculation.

Evolution has been observed. We observe what you call micro-evolution all the time. We observe that the fossils indicate transitions (take a look at cetacean fossils for example). We observe that genetic similarities correspond to the lineages created from the fossil record and extant organisms (morphological similarities). Conclusions garnered from statistical analysis by one group of scientists can be repeated by another group. Conclusions drawn from a fossil by one group of scientists can be confirmed or rejected by another group.

How is this speculation?

"You're the one creating a strawman by ignoring the fact that evolution is NOT fact, but only a guess. Yeah, evolution collects what evidence from different fields? Maybe a PIG BONE and points to it as evidence of a man's? You mean surefire evidence like that?

Evolution is indeed a fact. How about observed speciation events? There are hundreds of thousands of fossils that have been collected that are not pig bones. Just for your edification, fossils are not the most important evidence for evolution (in this case common descent), DNA evidence is more important and providing corroboration for much evidence collected before the '50s.

"And let me add, Evolution is not only speculative, it's an illogical conclusion to most of the evidence.

You keep saying this but I have yet to see any specific argument presented by you or any of your fellow believers that shows how the evidence runs counter to the ToE.

682 posted on 12/17/2005 6:31:05 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: sirchtruth
And let me add, Evolution is not only speculative, it's an illogical conclusion to most of the evidence.

I hear you truth

Wolf
794 posted on 12/17/2005 7:48:24 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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