[b_sharp]

"Right, I don't think you fully grasped my point. Evolution has to be a belief, it has to be a theory in even laymans terms because science can not show it happening, they can not demonstrate it, nor recreate it in a labratory...You can not say we have a theory that man evolved from a fish and call that fact without obsevervable proof, like say gravity, that works everytime it's tested. Evolution at best, is ONLY speculation.

Evolution has been observed. We observe what you call micro-evolution all the time. We observe that the fossils indicate transitions (take a look at cetacean fossils for example). We observe that genetic similarities correspond to the lineages created from the fossil record and extant organisms (morphological similarities). Conclusions garnered from statistical analysis by one group of scientists can be repeated by another group. Conclusions drawn from a fossil by one group of scientists can be confirmed or rejected by another group.

How is this speculation?

"You're the one creating a strawman by ignoring the fact that evolution is NOT fact, but only a guess. Yeah, evolution collects what evidence from different fields? Maybe a PIG BONE and points to it as evidence of a man's? You mean surefire evidence like that?

Evolution is indeed a fact. How about observed speciation events? There are hundreds of thousands of fossils that have been collected that are not pig bones. Just for your edification, fossils are not the most important evidence for evolution (in this case common descent), DNA evidence is more important and providing corroboration for much evidence collected before the '50s.

"And let me add, Evolution is not only speculative, it's an illogical conclusion to most of the evidence.

You keep saying this but I have yet to see any specific argument presented by you or any of your fellow believers that shows how the evidence runs counter to the ToE.

[sirchtruth]

Evolution has been observed. We observe what you call micro-evolution all the time.We observe that the fossils indicate transitions (take a look at cetacean fossils for example). We observe that genetic similarities correspond to the lineages created from the fossil record...

No, that's mutation. You have an incomplete fossil record, just because there is "similarities" does not mean evolution has occured.

Evolution is indeed a fact.

You're making my point everso clear. When layman think of evolution they think species change. Fish to man stuff. And that is not fact and you know it, and to assert such, is nothing more than deception. The fossil record is not conclusive. Just because some branches of science WISHES it to be so doesn't mean it is.

When you show me a conclusive species change, ONE KIND to ANOTHER KIND, then you might have a point, until then all your doing is speculating...

I have yet to see any specific argument presented by you or any of your fellow believers that shows how the evidence runs counter to the ToE.

The evidence is you can not show, recreate, or point to a valid species change...It's all conjecture.

There's your argument.