Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

[Senator Bedfellow]

[js1138]

I thought only Episcopalians did that.

[VadeRetro]

and your point is?????

My point immediately followed. Funny you would have to ask what it is. I might as well give a concrete example since you have trouble seeing data that conflict with a creationist worldview.

Here's a post addressing Hovind's arguments in detail. You might have to click on a link or two.

[Right Wing Professor]

So they told us in Catholic school, anyway.

[Baraonda]

"You don't allow dissent in here?

sorry that should have been a declarative sentence, not an interrogative one. I mean, everybody knows you don't allow dissenting opinions here.

Been too tired reading too much evo cult nonsense since this morning.

[Coyoteman]

If you would stick to the cause and effect arguments and stay away from the blasphemy...

Of all the strange "crimes" that human beings have legislated out of nothing, "blasphemy" is the most amazing - with "obscenity" and "indecent exposure" fighting it out for the second and third place.

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973

[Dimensio]

I mean, everybody knows you don't allow dissenting opinions here.

Please support this claim with evidence.

[Right Wing Professor]

Fly me to the Moon?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

" I mean, everybody knows you don't allow dissenting opinions here."

We don't threaten people with burning at the stake or being hung by a rope though. At least give us that.

[Ichneumon]

[Hovind makes his profit on the back end from the sheep who believe his bilge and then pay for his speeches, entry into his bible theme park, donate money to him, etc. As also explained previously (see post # 622 for a link to a related story), the IRS has found that Hovind has been making in excess of $ 1 million per year and not paying taxes. Care to explain why he's not rendering unto Caesar?]

Hovind doesn't charge a speaking fee. Try and get your lies straight next time Peyton.

Ooh, one the usual creationist tactics: "lie-by-telling-a-partial-truth-in-a-misleading-way".

While Hovind doesn't "charge a speaking fee" as such, he *DOES* get paid for his speaking appearances, as "peyton randolph" correctly points out. Hovind doesn't do them for free, as Full Court *dishonestly* attempt to imply.

As Hovind's own website states, on its "How to Schedule an Event" page, Hovind requires that travel expenses be reimbursed, food and lodging be provided, and (here comes the critical part): "That a love offering be received for the ministry."

This is church-speak for "passing the collection tray". Hovind doesn't get a fixed "fee", but he still requires that the hat be passed for "donations" (and let's face it, it's very rare for any Christian to not donate when the plate passes by). This might not result in much money in front of a small audience, but that's where this *other* requirement from Hovind's own webpage comes into play:

"With hopes of reaching as many as possible with the precious time that we have - Dr. Hovind is usually scheduled to speak to groups of 600 or more

Six hundred people (*minimum*!) at about five bucks a head for "love offering" comes to a cool $3000, give or take, per speaking appearance. And while the wording on the above paragraph is a bit loose (saying that he "usually" speaks to 600 or more), the very next sentence describes it clearly as a "minimum" group size for Hovind's appearances, although it disingenuously claims loftier motives:

"Our minimums have not been set in order to seek more money, but more people."

Of course, more people mean more "love offerings", and thus more money, but that's merely a coincidence, of course...

Later on the same page, it says, "Because Dr. Hovind speaks over 700 times a year..." Okay, let's see -- $3000 in "love offerings" per speaking engagement, times 700 speaking engagements a year, is a whopping $2 million a year. And that doesn't include income from the ubiquitous book sale tables found at the speaking engagements.

So while Hovind may not receive "a fee" in the usual sense for his appearances, he's still raking in the cash, just as peyton randolph correctly stated, and which Full Court disgustingly denounced as "lies".

[VadeRetro]

I suggested that cause-and-effect explanations have tended to trump supernatural ones in scientific efficacy. That was probably the "blasphemy." Out for the night.

[Senator Bedfellow]

Or "fry me", depending on if you're going for the Kim Jong-Il sound...

[Dimensio]

Are you suggesting that Albert Einstein rejected the theory of evolution?

[He Rides A White Horse]

We don't threaten people with burning at the stake or being hung by a rope though. At least give us that.

Is that a fact; see Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, et al.

[Baraonda]

I was speaking from personal experience. Have yet to meet face-to-face an evo cultist.

[He Rides A White Horse]

I'm suggesting that Albert Einstein realized that there is an intelligent design behind the universe, Dementio.

[darbymcgill]

My point immediately followed. Funny you would have to ask what it is. I might as well give a concrete example since you have trouble seeing data that conflict with a creationist worldview.

I guess you're just gonna keep hammering... that is your choice, but like I said last night, I'm not dancing.

Please make your point explicitly... I think I'm beginning to get it.... but that don't mean I'm buying it...

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Is that a fact; see Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, et al."

Yes, that's a fact. Stalin killed Darwinists, and Hitler was a creationist. The poster I was posting to threatened us with burning at the stake and hanging.

[Dimensio]

I'm suggesting that Albert Einstein realized that there is an intelligent design behind the universe,

But the subject of discussion here is evolution. Why bring up a completely irrelevant subject, unless you have no rational arguments to offer?

Dementio.

It's Dimensio. But since you're a creationist liar, I understand why you deliberately misstate it.

[js1138]

I'm suggesting that Albert Einstein realized that there is an intelligent design behind the universe, Dementio.

He said God doesn't play dice (in reference to quantum theory). Einstein proposed a thought experiment to test his assertion. The experiment was eventually done, and Einstein was wrong.