Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

[PatrickHenry]

We got dumped into the smokey backroom. I could smell it coming.

[sirchtruth]

..and Hovind with his fake diploma hasn't any. :)

He has just as much evidence and intellegence as anybody on this board with REAL diploma's, what does that tell ya Sherlock? The thing he won't do is lie about what he believes, unlike most evo's.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"The thing he won't do is lie about what he believes, unlike most evo's."

lol He lies about his credentials, his income, and evolution. He is a pathological liar.

Your complete avoidance of anything approaching an argument is duly noted. :)

[Ichneumon]

[...but your history of ridiculing observed reality because you don't like it does not constitute an "argument".]

It has nothing to do with liking it or not, it has to do with LYING about what the facts point too.

Thanks for the confession!

[andysandmikesmom]

Thanks for all those links in your post #1333...I need to investigate them...but I just skimmed over the link to the Dinosaur Adventure Land...notice that in his little bookstore, they mention he carried books about how to fight the coming New World Order, and also snappy books on the government conspiracy to suppress a cancer cure(laetrile)...

Its gonna be fun, when I have time to read the whole article..

My husbands uncle lives in Florida, where the Dinosaur Adventure Land is located...we plan to visit him in the next year or so...I think we need to make a stop at the Dinosaur Adventure Land, and check it out...should be a laughable and entertaining way to spend the day...

[js1138]

We got dumped into the smokey backroom. I could smell it coming.

You suppose our contempt for Hovind and Jack Chick upset the mods?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

I could have sworn we were in the smokey backroom a while back. I could be wrong.

[Coyoteman]

upset the mods?

Weekend.

[VadeRetro]

Post 445 is a nice one. It contains a fairly explicit endorsement of Hovind. Hovind is a creationist buffoon.

My original post was concerning the irony of the ping listers mocking the CREVOs for their numerous straw men all the while claiming Hovind's arguments have no validity while never addressing them specifically for the most part.

Kinda like saying George Bush is a bad president because he says his prayers.

It seems that you are using the same logically fallacy.

You have spent all your posts on this thread screeching at the evos for being mean to the creationists. Are we supposed to believe you're some 1) neutral observer or 2) secular skeptic of evolution? Among the many, many, many things creationists are clearly allowed to lie about are 1) who they are and 2) what they are up to.

How long do you think you can walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and look like a duck before somebody notices?

[Gumlegs]

A smokey Christmas to all and to all a good light.

[sirchtruth]

Which in turn implies an idiot.

I say show me fish evolving to a man and instead you show your arrogant idiocy...Congratulations at least now I know how unfairminded you really are. Boy you really came back with stunning evidence for that one did you?

Is that you with the long red hair?

[js1138]

My husbands uncle lives in Florida, where the Dinosaur Adventure Land is located...

Good luck. Florida is a thousand miles from tip to tail. I've lived here over 50 years and have no idea where Kent's Kastle is located.

[Baraonda]

"This fraud and others is a blight on science."

And, indeed, it is a blight on the evolutionist's conscience.

[js1138]

Creationists are also allowed to hide their light.

[Ichneumon]

Ich (mongoose or tracker?) went to a lot of trouble for nothing. He/She posts stuff from Evo sites whose business it is to undermine Creationist sites. Laughable if not downright absurd.

Your pathetic excuse for a "rebuttal" is duly noted. Someday I'll eventually meet an anti-evolution creationist who can debate like an adult, but that day is not today.

Well guess what...he went to a lot trouble for nothing.

Not at all -- while I fully expected that documenting the dishonesty of your posts wouldn't cause *you* to change your behavior in the slightest, I'm confident that it got the job done, and demonstrated to countless lurkers that like a large number of creationists, you're either a liar or a fool, not to be trusted.

Lots of words and sites do not make for proof of anything...

They demonstrate the dishonesty of your posts, even if you yourself are too dishonorable to admit it.

but rather just a lot of hot stinky evo air.

And there you have it -- a creationist demonstrating a twelve-year-old's level of debate.

My work here is done.

[Stultis]

You can start here Bozo..not that it will help.

http://www.nwcreation.net/evolutionfraud.html

Lessee.

1. Piltdown -- Not a fraud but a hoax (the hoaxer was likely an evolutionist, but not known for sure).

2. Nebraska -- No fraud here either. A mistake, corrected by the original researchers themselves. (Who, btw, never called it a "man". It was controversial enough to claim an American ape.)

3. Java Man -- No fraud. A genuine Asian Homo Erectus. The claim at your link that Dubois hid the Wadjak skulls is simply false. This, critiquing creationist Duane Gish's treatment of Java Man, was published in 1986 (in Creation/Evolution Journal, known to be read by creationists):

   To put the matter straight, "nearby Wadjak" is a good one hundred miles of mountainous countryside away from Trinil, the site of Dubois' Pithecanthropus. Nor is it accurate to call them "approximately the same level" when one is well over half a million years old and the other is less than ten thousand. Finally, Dubois did publish preliminary accounts of his Wadjak material in 1889 and 1890 before his Trinil discoveries were even made, and he recapitulated these in print in 1892 before becoming involved in what he correctly realized was the far more significant Pithecanthropus issue. If there is a question of honesty involved, it has nothing to do with Dubois.

   Gish had been informed that Dubois had indeed published the Wadjak Skulls during a debate in 1982, and was informed, and showed the references, several times following and as late as 1997.

   Now your link -- notably citing a 1998 creationist source -- at least modifies the claim by saying the Dubois "downplayed" the Wadjak skulls, but continues the lie that they were found "very close to" the Java Man site. So at least you've come up with an example of willful CREATIONIST fraud and lying.

4. Orce man -- No fraud, previously discussed.

Enough. Your link is itself a FRAUD. Although is has the title "Evolution Fraud" emblazoned at the top of the page, it doesn't give even a single example of real fraud.

How lame. You should be ashamed, but then you're a creationist.

[bobdsmith]

Evolution loses every honest, open debate. They have to re-define the world in order to have a chance at a win

re-define the world?? how does that even work?

[Ichneumon]

Amazing, isn't it, that the biotech industry, which employees tens of thousands of scientists in the field of biology, never recruits creationists. Why are they avoiding such a rich source of talent?

[sirchtruth]

Yes, you do a fair bit of lying about what the facts say also.

Name one lie?

[Baraonda]

Dream on!

Online evolutionists are cowards and will never apologize nor allow dissent. Face-to-face, it's a different matter. Heck, they won't even acknowledge they belong to the evo cult face-to-face. But just in case they did, they'll either apologize or run away with the tail between their cultist legs.