Posted on 12/15/2005 10:33:58 AM PST by Eaglewatcher
A truly bogus analysis based on nothing but speculative excess and whims of fantasy ... but that's you all over schoolmarm!!
What orphace did you pull out that $369 number??? Just curious, you have offer no support for it.
Since some of you started out loudly yelling that the prebate amounted to $600 billion, that's a 20% improvement already
Actually, I usually estimated it about $500 Billion. After crunching the census details for households and discounting for non-citizens, I have concluded the actual number will be $480 Billion, which is about $500 Billion for all practicle purposes.
and I haven't even begun to show your errors.
I am not exactly holding my breath for that since you haven't a clue what you are talking about anyways. But please show me my errors. I can't wait for the queen fairy finally speak.
What are they 2/3rds of a person????? Do you qualify blacks as only 1/2 of a person???? Are you really that much of a dufus you can't figure this out????? Really???? If a person is not part of that defintion, that means they qualify as a separate family. Gee so instead of qualifying for a joint $4282 prebate, they qualify for two separate $2141 prebates. Hey Eistein, they add up to the same thing.
I used the census figure of 18 million. So no, there is no further reductions.
I subtracted out all known non-citizens. Everyone else left in the census were citizens. This is your third attempt to try to factor out the same people. Once you factor them out, you don't get to keep factoring them out some more.
My $480 Billion number is rock solid. Anything lower is ancient data or miscalculated.
Read post #299 again. Also read how the prebate is defined in the bill. A lot of the numbers you use clearly won't get the preate - and that's what #299 shows.
Those are certainly errors on the part of both you and Nightie. Either that or lies - you may decide which.
The $368 B estimate I used came from the family households number (an estimated 76,217,000) times the average prebate YOU figured of $4,845 per household. That works out to a bit over $369 B. THAT'S the orifice it came out of - yours.
Had you read more closely you world already have known that.
YOU may have used $500 B (more recently upped to $557 B and now dropped to $480 B), but others in you tribe of lost souls have screamed continually about the number being $600 B or more. It hardly matters since as I show in #299 (where your errors are described), it is clearly under $400 B ... WELL under).
IAE the discussion is meaningless since the prebate is not an entitlement but a refund of sales tax paid (or to be paid).
No one said single people did not get the prebate. You've misread (again) what was said.Really? I seem to recall you stating this:
Sorry, but it's YOUR method that is flawed [what a shock] since the non-family households cannot be counted. It is a FAMILY Consumption Allowance for families in a single household.
"2/3rds of a person"??? Wher do you think I even inferred that, fool. (Though actually, a home-builder that meets your description of hardheaded ignorance should PROBABLY be classified as 0.000001% of a person).
And you're wrong they won't qualify for two separate rebates in a single household. Read the bill double-dip.
Come on pigdog, stop acting dumb. If they are not married, they are not part of the same family according to the bill. However they still fully qualify for a prebate as a separate family. I am serious. You are really not this stupid are you???? I can't believe anybody is.
There is no such thing as people whom "does not qualify fully" in the bill. Everyone qualifies fully if they are citizens. The only difference is adults qualify for $2181 and children qualify for $736 (2004 figures). There is no marriage advantage or penalty. Anyway you group them into families, it all adds up to the same. The simpliest way to calculate it is to find out how many adult and children citizens there are and multiply $2181 and $736, respectively. That would get you 2004 numbers, which is closer to what Your_Nightmare calculated.
If you used 2005 data it would be close to the $480 number.
In fact it can't be told definitely from the numbers in the tables but some portion of any of those "households" or some living in them would undoubtedly not qualify for the prebate anyway.It can't be told, but theres no doubt? Why not? Because they're single? Or is this an observation of the neighbors from the pigsty?
You did not infer it, you stated it. You said there are people who do not fully qualify. That is nothing in the bill about people who do not 'fully qualify'. So I asked you a question question about what you meant. You are the one pulling crap out of your butt.
As I showed in #299, there are at least another 11 Million you didn't count in the way of illegal aliens - and that does not count legal non-citizens residing here.
Read the bill, Nightie.
So you don't get to take all of your non-family household members and give them the prebate. In fact it can't be told definitely from the numbers in the tables but some portion of any of those "households" or some living in them would undoubtedly not qualify for the prebate anyway.Maybe you would like to give an example where non-family members living together wouldn't each get the full FCA.
That's what he is saying. But we will have better luck trying to lift up Mount Everest than having pigdog admit he is completely full of it.
I know you are "serious" - that's the sad part.
Read the bill. You don't understand what it says.
I don't know if you're just pretending to be this ignorant or not, but whatever it is it sure works.
Your figure is, simply, wrong. Too large by a good amount.
I multiplied 18 Million (not 9 million) times $1700 allowance. There are not another 11 million non-citizens I did not count. If there are another 11 million illegals out there it does not matter, since they were not counted in the census to began with. I accounted for everyone included in the census.
Read the bill, Nightie.I have. It doesn't say anything about individuals living in the same household not getting their full FCA. In fact, it say the opposite. Both individuals would be considered an individual "qualified family" for reasons of the bill.
Let's cool off the rhetoric now, or I'll start sending folks to the shower.
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