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1 posted on 11/17/2005 11:27:26 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin
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"..........The problem with Intelligent Design is that it is dumb.........."

Well put and succinct.

75 posted on 11/17/2005 12:48:17 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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According to ID, the world perked along perfectly fine for several billion years according to the rules of physics. Over most of space-time the naturalists have it basically right, things just sort of go the way they seem they should. Then, a couple of billion years ago, along came The Designer, not itself the product of those processes. It showed up and decided to take a bunch of these otherwise perfectly natural chemicals and put them together to make bacteria and then designed in a replication system. Then it left it alone for another several million years and decided, "Hey, I've got these bacteria around, let's collect them into these other things." And, so forth.

That't the first time I've heard that theory. If that is the theory of intelligent design, then I would agree that the theory is at least as stupid as the author of this article.

83 posted on 11/17/2005 12:55:13 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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The problem with Intelligent Design is that it is dumb.

LOL So much for scientific objectivity.

103 posted on 11/17/2005 1:19:53 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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104 posted on 11/17/2005 1:23:09 PM PST by tophat9000 (lose 3000 in an hour and the country wants to fight,lose 2000 in 2 years 1/2 country wants to run ?)
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Typical elitist, humanist garbage.
115 posted on 11/17/2005 1:41:37 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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The fellow makes a very long argument--in which he tries to artificially compartmentalize issues--but appears to miss the essential point, throughout. While we may not understand the complexity of a design, is no argument against there being such a design. That without there being a design, what we do know would make even less sense, should tilt scientific thought towards continued pursuit of the idea of the design.

That said, takes absolutely nothing away from the writers' compartmentalized pursuit of more compartmentalizable issues--as for example his example of Termites. However, the writer is clearly not the one to carry out that pursuit. His preconceptions are too obvious:

Given that the termites are clearly not sentient,

While I am not about to invite a colony in for an after dinner discussion, I do not understand how one can produce evidence of actual intelligence--however specialized--and then conclude, arbitrarily that they have no perceptive abilities. That is cut from the same philosophic error that has led so many to deny the reasoning ability of other species of mammals.

William Flax

147 posted on 11/17/2005 2:32:26 PM PST by Ohioan
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Of course "ID" is philosophy rather than science. So is "big E" evolution*.

* Big E evolution: The assertion that evolutionary processes are adequate to explain all living things.

209 posted on 11/17/2005 9:35:46 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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"The author is Senior Lecturer in the Philosophy Department at Loyola University, Chicago."

Scary. Very scary.


211 posted on 11/17/2005 10:02:54 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - there are countless observable clues of God's existence)
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This is one of the better opinion pieces I've seen on the subject. I'd never thought I'd have a good word for de Chardin, but in comparison with the incredibly awkward ID movement he does look good.

I'll also plug Edward T. Oakes' theological takedown of ID Reviewing The Wedge of Truth and follow-up correspondence

254 posted on 11/18/2005 10:07:57 AM PST by Dumb_Ox (Hoc ad delectationem stultorum scriptus est)
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Flawed Philosophy of Intelligent Design

Redundant headline.
284 posted on 11/21/2005 12:31:41 AM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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Read tag line.


298 posted on 11/21/2005 5:01:16 PM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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