Posted on 11/07/2005 12:05:04 PM PST by Mikey_1962
THE Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his theory of evolution and interpret the biblical account of creation literally.
Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture, said the Genesis description of how God created the universe and Darwin's theory of evolution were "perfectly compatible" if the Bible were read correctly. His statement was a clear attack on creationist campaigners in the US, who see evolution and the Genesis account as mutually exclusive.
"The fundamentalists want to give a scientific meaning to words that had no scientific aim," he said at a Vatican press conference. He said the real message in Genesis was that "the universe didn't make itself and had a creator".
This idea was part of theology, Cardinal Poupard emphasised, while the precise details of how creation and the development of the species came about belonged to a different realm - science. Cardinal Poupard said that it was important for Catholic believers to know how science saw things so as to "understand things better".
His statements were interpreted in Italy as a rejection of the "intelligent design" view, which says the universe is so complex that some higher being must have designed every detail.
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Everyone knows what Feduccia is going to conclude before he concludes it. You have about five people against the world and against the evidence. You are not dealing with what I am telling you. If you aren't going to answer my points and not just my posts, get the hell out of my face.
All you can say is..."they look like feathers...they look like feathers"...despite the scientific study and evidence that proves that they are not.
I have given you multiple lines of evidence. You have given me your five favorite crackpots against the world. Get something new. If you can't get a brain, get a life.
Are you actually the National Geographic editor that went to print with the Archaeoraptor story when you had been warned against doing so?
Are you the lying asshole you appear to be?
Are you ascerting that the Feduccia team's findings are based on incomplete and inaccurate scientific research...
What have I been explaining to you? Read my posts!
Ping me when you have some actual evidence of feathered dinosaurs (and Archy is not it).
You have taken willful blindness to a new level. Dismissed!
new level placemarker
Olson is the one who publicly claims that he met with National Geographic prior to their publication and tried to disuade them from going to print.
You posted that Olson was late to the game. By this, are you claiming that Olson did not meet with National Geographic prior to publication of the article and that he is a liar?
If so, do you have direct evidence that allows you to make this allegation (or like the claim of the existence of feathered dinosaurs...is this wishful thinking on your part too)?
If it wasn't for out-of-control zealotry on National Geographic's part, what was the reason they went to print with the Archaeoraptor article? And if Olson went to National Geographic prior to the article going to print (which he did), then what you said is not true and National Geographic did not heed the warnings given.
You get more angry and post much uglier statements in response to much less than the issue Olson was dealing with related to theNational Geographic article. It seems that you would be able to empathize with, and relate to, his righteous anger/indignation at National Geographic for conducting themselves in the manner in which they did (at least for providing the fodder that they provided to creationists).
Take an hour off. Drink something cool. Then resume your activities, but with another thread.
More to the point here, you are refusing to deal with the important points of the preponderance of evidence on said question, the theropod origins of birds. I have given you enough chances. If I up to now have repeated myself, it isn't because you have answered my points but because you have ignored them. Any further posts from you that don't answer the mail on what has been posted already will be ignored.
His (PatrickHenry's) advice to you is sound...as opposed to his postings earlier relative to an issue related to a Bible passage and a flat earth.
Apparently he can ping well, plug the list-o-links well and placemarker well though.
When PatrickHenry came and got you to go get a drink and cool-off, Vade...I thought I could hear you singing on the way out..."They're coming to take me away aha, they're coming to take me awaaaaay!"
I hope you get to feeling better.
Because that is what you inferred in an earlier post (and your inference is baseless and without merit).
Who is lying here?
Why do you ever respond to these people? Do you converse with squeegee men at intersections? Winos staggering down the street? Dumpster divers? Napoleons in mental wards?
Well then ... carry on.
(PatrickHenry's self-imposed posting rules and etiquette continued: Then, once we have ignored said poster, we can post back and forth between each other, and name-call, while slapping each other on the back, in an assuring gesture, that communicates to one another that we are the best and brightest Darwin Central has to offer...We don't care what evidence the new study brought to light! We like our feathered dinosaur artist renderings and our museum quality feathered dinosaur models!! Those guys are all just predictable crackpots anyways!!! How they got their doctorates, their positions in academia and at museums and any respect in the scientific community is beyond answereable!!!!)
(Then, once we have made each other feel better about ourselves...we can take our ball and go home...because we still want to pretend that protofeathers exist and are related to modern day feathers...while clicking our heels together, we repeat..."There's no place like home! There's no place like home! There's no place like home!!!")
These threads used to go for well over 1000 posts before these evo warriors ran everybody out of here. Now - anybody who shows-up with an argument is ridiculed to no end by the same 4 or 5 people to the point of never wanting to come back again. The sad thing is, these guys aren't even scientists! They are *not* the best DarwinCentral has to offer. I think one is a court reporter, or something, and the other is a retired science fiction writer. If you want a serious discussion, you might ping one of the actual scientists who occasionally post here.
FRegards!
FRegards!
Thanks for the ping wallcrawlr!
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winnah!
Those wonderful "Golden Age" arguments existed only in your own mind. Scientists have been laughing at crackpots since before Mithra was resurrected.
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