[RGVTx]

As much as I'd like to think Natalee is alive, I doubt it. I don't think it was chocolate and cleaning fluid found in Deepak's car.

I think Natalee probably died of a drug overdose because of Joran's statement about her going in and out of consciousness. I think it might have been Natalee's bodily fluids other than blood that was in Deepak's car.

My second scenario is Joran killed her in a rage. He is known to have a raging temper. And rape has an element of control, abuse and humiliation of the victim.

[justche]

Well common sense says you're right -

My grandad used to change which team he was rooting for bottom of the 9th if his team was losing - in my family we call that "pulling a gramps." I'd love to pull a gramps on this someday and say "SEEEEE I had this feeling she was still alive"

I do think that explains the just about pure fury we've seen from Beth and Dave - it could be that Beth was waiting for Dave to come to this conclusion - and he had to do it on his own. I can't help but wonder why Jug isn't being interviewed right now, or if he is, I've missed it.

I'm going to bed - night to those who are still up

[Canadian Outrage]

Tex I think Joran Killed Natalee in anger also. For one thing she is like 5'2" and 102 pounds and JVDS is 6'5" and probably close to 200 pounds. Combine that with anger and sexual rage and her being drugged - she didn't have a chance.

[television is just wrong]

I think she has been sold into a lucrative human slavery situation. Whether she is still alive or not, at this point remains to be seen.

I saw an intro into a news story on ABC about American children disappearing and being found dead, or not at all on the other side of our border with Mexico.

Another reason to CLOSE THAT DARN BORDER AND BUILD A BIG WALL.