Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 17

[Slings and Arrows]

Previous thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1471591/posts

[nuntukamen]

very sad to say, i agree

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

US CHILDREN AS A TARGET OF THE INTERNATIONAL SEX SLAVE TRADE

We will center on the non-parental child theft within the United States by the Saudi princes and their associates. The Saudi princes and their associates purchase US children both male and female as sex slaves. Saud princes are willing to pay dearly for the right quality child (product) and consider virgins as the top of the line. The children are usually shipped in private planes or boats by Saudi princes. They are drugged to be malleable so as not to make disturbances. Some are recruited within the United States or Northern Europe for fictitious jobs as models or actresses while others are purchased from local procurers. Once in Saudi Arabia the girls and boys are whisked off to the palace of the purchasing prince. A prince is absolute ruler of his compound. Architecturally, the compounds are designed with slave quarters included. Within the palace walls whatever the prince says goes, there are no government restrictions to his will. If a slave escapes they are immediately brought back by the Saudi security police to the responsible prince who may do with them as he pleases. They rarely escape since they spend most of their time within the confined parts of the palace compound under supervision. When the prince entertains his male friends he provides them with both male and female child sex slaves for their enjoyment. If he tires of a child sex slave he will sell it to another prince or sheik. It is believed once these sex slaves have outlived their usefulness they are dumped into Rubal Khali. It would be to dangerous to free them for fear of potential embarrassment to Saudi Arabian public relations abroad. One hears many stories along the Cote d'Azure of young girls being enticed to luxurious parties given by Saudi princes never to be seen again. Many young girls and boys along the French coast have stories of Saudi princes trying to entice them into their planes or boats for "a ride". The Saudi princes have grown so sophisticated in enticing young girls and boys, they have even financed their own modeling and companion agencies within Europe and the United States to insure top quality merchandise and cut out the middle men. Many models have stories of being solicited by Saudi princes or friends who have disappeared.



STATE DEPARTMENT INTRANSIGENCE

Saudi Arabia's participation in international slavery has long been known by State Department careerists who are powerless to react for fear they will be destroyed professionally or will lose the deferred payments promised by Prince Bandar upon their retirement. One has mentioned off the record the widespread knowledge within the State Department of Saudi child theft within the US. Many of the kidnappings in the United States are easily masked within the larger number of runaways each year. The breakdown of the US family has enabled the Saudi princes and their procurers to "special order" kidnap without much concern for law enforcement who are usually looking for someone within the local area. One should often wonder when seeing girls and boys faces in the post office or milk carton wanted ads how many have been "disappeared" to Saudi Arabia.
snipped from:

http://www.sauduction.com/13issue.html

[LucyT]

Rubal Khali

Deserts - Sahara is 3.5 million sq. miles.

Rubal Khali, southern part of Saudi Arabia.

Rubal Khali, the world's largest expanse of sand dunes.

[LucyT]

Here's the post:

Associated Press reports: “A Saudi prince smuggled a 4,400-pound load of cocaine from Venezuela to Paris on his personal aircraft under diplomatic immunity, U.S. drug investigators charged Wednesday.

Ambassador Prince Bandar and other Saud family princelings have the capability of not only smuggling kidnapped children but other contraband on their private airplanes as well.

A reliable State Department source says Saud family princelings frequently arrive at US airports with drugs and leave with abducted US children, all protected from US customs by Bandar’s Washington retainers.

Since the Saud family are high end buyers on the child sex slave market, their “product” is more expensive and affords more delicate handling.

This is why the Saud family child sex slaves are usually brought into Saudi Arabia via private plane.

Unfortunately, Ambassador Prince Bandar carries on the Saud family tradition of lusting after the young.

Washington is well aware of these kidnappings orchestrated by Saud family princelings but are thought to consider it a part of the Saud family “special relationship” perks protected by Ambassador Prince Bandar’s Washington retainers.

It is sad to think that each US child abducted by the Saud family has a perpetually grieving mother and father with no government to turn for help.

It is well known in Washington Bandar requests blond blue eyed girls for sex.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1462134/posts?page=1089#1089

[nuntukamen]

if Bandar got Natalee she is lost, and the fact they apparently gamed at the same table could be a key, but the walls of those compounds will never be breeched...the likeihood of the rape drug/asthma medicine mix is still the strongest, but Charles Croes initial response about her disappearance is haunting and obviously infers something far more sinister and ominous than just a date rape gone bad...if Bandar openly goes to casinos to play, Bandar openly is a target...even if Natalee is dead at the hands of the perps, one bullet for Bandar would only balance the world a little better

[nuntukamen]

it also perplexes me that there seems to be an underlying awareness that dickpak, swish and urine have that keeps their arrogance levels running strong; if they knew she had been traded off to a sexual leech like Bandar they would know the rope would never drop on a murder charge and all the date rape crap can easily be shuffled against the heavier murder charge being voided by the knowledge she is alive and far, far away...the island is going to feel the noose of a financial boycott, but the punishment may never fit the crime

[upstatenyrepublican]

If Natalie was first gang raped by Joran and his friends, she would not be someone a Saudi Prince would kidnap according to your article. Although stanger things have happened.

[truthluva]

When this issue of Prince Bandar came up this summer I believe one of the articles circulating was that he had recently resigned as Ambassador. It occurred to me that the timing of this resignation was interesting. If he was in Aruba working on his "communications business deal" and popped into Mr Posner's casino on the same night as Paulus you would think this was even more interesting. Not conclusive but very interesting.

If this Saudi Prince is involved and paid SOMEONE to bring Natalee to him I would think by now the Prince would have parted company with Natalee. Too much publicity. Can't have the embarrassment to the Saudi family. No, of course not.

And...I never heard if the Van Der Sloot finances were checked into. If this scenario did occur and Posner was involved the money trail will be hard to follow. I wonder if that is what Joe M. was getting at when he appealed to Michael Posner on TV. He seems to think Posner knows something. I think if Posner does know something he won't give it up unless he thinks his current legal troubles could send him to jail. I wonder how strong that case is?

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"....she would not be someone a Saudi Prince would kidnap according to your article."

sorry, I missed anything that would indicate the above....a "preference" for virgins is merely one facet of his sexual nature and palace programs.

[nuntukamen]

the extraordinary complexities of this case keep growing at a time when a simple case would just go ice cold...a gang rape by the boys might be just a whim before natalee set sail with bandar, or she may have just been sent to an across the water bordello a la amy bradlee, in which instance a gang rape or several of them is nothing more than a conditioner for the lifestyle to come...no matter which is her fate, including the manslaughter scenario, the cans upon cans of worms this case is opening require further resolve to disrupt the coverup and work against human behavorial monstrosities victimizing children and young women everywhere, each one as truly important as natalee herself

[RGVTx]

Translation thanks to Getagrip at SM:

Aruba Tourism Authority asks people to not post negative messages on website
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diasabra/social/news3.html
11/19/2005

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Aruba Tourism Authority wants to ask the community of Aruba to cooperate by not posting negative, vengeful, destructive and/or threatening messages on its ‘bulletin or message board’ of the official website of Aruba www.aruba.com or any other website.

This type of message creates a negative reflection of the community that could and is affecting Aruba’s image to potential tourists.

Aruba Tourism Authority has received notification that some travel agents who have said that they support and promote Aruba, but the fact that there are apparently people who are of who have said that they are from Aruba who are posting extremely negative messages. They have also expressed that they don’t want any American to come to Aruba anymore.

To avoid this, post positive messages that demonstrate that Aruba is a good and civilized country. Despite of everything, we cannot forget that more than 70% of our visitors come from America.

Aruba Tourism Authority wants to emphasize the fact that the tourists who are currently in Aruba or who have thought of coming to Aruba are on our side, they support us and because of this we have to give them the best service and attention to counteract the bad image that others are creating abroad.

Mr. Peter Greenberg, the travel editor of NBC’s Today Show and a person who supports Aruba, said that we have to win over and make an impression upon the tourist by offering a unique experience. And Aruba is known for its nice and helpful people and it is important to show this to all those who visit us in these days.
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[LucyT]

More to refresh our memory:
To: All
From SM
S_FL wrote:

You guys,

Look on page 26 of Mr. Pink in Theory and Speculation. This may be a very interesting theory. Too many connections to be coincidence. Prince Bandar was on the island the same time Natalee was. I'm not sure if he stayed at HI, but I think hearing that he did. Can anyone confirm where he stayed.

I also remember reading that he played BJ at the same table as Natalee.

Stynger says:

Prince Bandar was on the island, he owns several properties and he backed Posner's in purchasing the casino. Prince Bandar went to school in Alabama. Prince Bandar has connections to white slave trade in Aruba.

Prince Bandar recently resigned as aid Ambassador to the U.S. Prince Bandar probably wants a nice Alabama girl, from his youth.

Prince Bandar likes Natalee and won't let her go. Joran pretended to lose Natalle to keep her fooled as to her own actual abduction, she was hustled. "Prince Bandar was on the island, he owns several properties and he backed Posner's in purchasing the casino."

http://www.sauduction.com documents

Saudi Princes willing to pay dearly for blond young women. Plus, Saudi Princes diplomatic immunity (many have posted on) prevents their planes from being searched and their passengers from showing passports.

If it's true Prince Bandar backed Posner's casino and our government gives Saudi's diplomatic immunity and won't prosecute these crimes because of oil, how in the world are they going to get Natalie back?

Didn't Ross Perot send in his own people to get his abducted employees back? I hope the theory of the Saudi Prince kidnapping her isn't true because it would be extremely challenging to solve this case.....

INTERNATIONAL SEX SLAVERY AND THE SAUD FAMILY

Associated Press reports: "With as many as two million women world wide forced into sexual slavery, the sex trade seems to have replaced narcotics as the favored illegal trade activity. ... Harold Koh, assistant Secretary of State for democracy, human rights and labor, said international criminals are moving away from 'guns and drugs' to marketing women. 'There are weaker restraints and growing demand." Koh told the Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee on Near Eastern and Southern Asian Affairs. Sen. Sam Brownback R-Kan., who chaired the hearing, spoke of meeting some women victims during recent travels Asia and called the trade 'the greatest manifestation of slavery in the world today. ...

"We are only beginning to learn the methods of this industry."V177 As we have reported in the past, the Saud family princelings are high end buyers on the international sex slavery market. The State Department has been reluctant to act against Saudi abductions of US children because of Ambassador Prince Bandar's powerful Washington retainers. Senator Sam Brownback need not go to Asia to look for sex slaves. He need only read our material and ask for our documentation of US child kidnappings by Saudis. We even have video tapes of our press conference at the National Press Club on parental and nonparental US abductions by Saudis. One grandmother told of her male and female grandchildren abducted from the US by Saudis and used as sex slaves in Saudi Arabia. Ambassador Prince Bandar's Washington retainers have successfully suppressed any action by Washington. We are also reminded of the old Washington maxim: "The one who controls the investigation wins."

( http://www.sauduction.com/22issue.html )

STATE DEPARTMENT CHILD SEX SLAVE RECRUITMENT

..... It is well known in Washington (Prince) Bandar requests blond blue eyed girls for sex."

http://www.sauduction.com/32issue.htm

414 posted on 08/13/2005 2:48:38 PM MDT by Sunshine55 ( http://profile.tickle.com/.VFDh6C-z_JET9p_)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1462134/posts?page=414#414

[LucyT]

Prince Bandar Biography
http://www.saudiembassy.net/Country/Government/BandarBio.asp

Saudi Prince Bandar Resigns as Ambassador to U.S.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/7/20/130852.shtml

[LucyT]

Penowa mentioned Bandar's Washinton residence overlooked the site in Fort Marcy Park where Vince Foster was found.

[LucyT]

AND, here's the conversation with Charles Crowes:

Thursday, June 30, 2005
Excerpted:

VAN SUSTEREN: Prior to that time when you went to the house, had you ever heard of the Van der Sloots or had you ever been to their house before?

C. CROES: Never.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html

[shebacal]

Didn't Ross Perot send in his own people to get his abducted employees back?

In early 1979 , after his retirement, Colonel Arthur "Bull" Simons was asked by Ross Perot, then Chairman of EDS, to plan and conduct a rescue operation to free two Electronic Data Systems, Inc (EDS) employees who were taken hostage by the Iranian government.

In February 1979,Colonel Simons planning efforts proved successful as he organized a mob in Tehran which stormed Gazre prison where the EDS employees were being held hostage. The two Americans, along with 11,000 Iranian prisoners, were freed.

Col. Simons and his party fled 450 miles to Turkey, and were later returned to the United States.

Noted author, Ken Follet, wrote a best selling novel, "On Wings of Eagles", (Morrow & Company, 1983) about the rescue. The book was later made into an NBC TV mini series. Colonel Simons died of heart complications three months later.

The Son Tay Raid: "We are going to rescue 70 American prisoners of war, maybe more, from a camp called Son Tay. This is something American prisoners have a right to expect from their fellow soldiers. The target is 23 miles west of Hanoi." - Colonel Arthur "Bull" Simons.

Brigadier General Donald D. Blackburn, who had trained Filipino guerrillas in World War II, suggested a small group of Special Forces volunteers rescue the prisoners of war. He chose Colonel Arthur D. "Bull" Simons to lead the group.

It would be later learned that the POWs had been relocated to Dong Hoi, on July 14. Their move was not due to North Vietnam learning of the planned rescue attempt but because of an act of nature. The POWs were moved because the well in the compound had dried up and the nearby Song Con River, where Son Tay was located, had begun to overflow its banks. This flooding problem, not a security leak, resulted in the prisoners being transported to Dong Hoi to a new prison nicknamed "Camp Faith".

Was the raid then a failure? Despite the intelligence failure, the raid was a tactical success. The assault force got to the camp and took their objective. It's true no POWs were rescued, but no friendly lives were lost in the attempt.

Furthermore, and more importantly, the raid sent a clear message to the North Vietnam that Americans were outraged at the treatment our POWs were receiving and that we would go to any lenghth to bring our men home. At Dong Hoi, 15 miles to the east of Son Tay, American prisoners woke up to the sound of surface-to-air missles being launched, the prisoners quickly realized that Son Tay was being raided.

Although they knew they had missed their ride home, these prisoners now knew for sure that America cared and that attempts were being made to free them. Morale soared. The North Vietnamese got the message. The raid triggered subtle but important changes in their treatment of American POWs.

Within days, all of the POWs in the outlying camps had been moved to Hanoi. Men who had spent years by themselves in a cell found themselves sharing a cell with dozens of others. From their point of view the raid was the best thing that could have happened to them short of their freedom. In the final assessment, the raid may not have been a failure after all.

Political cartoonist R.B. Crockett of the Washington Star said it best, and first, the day after the news of the Son Tay raid broke. At the top of the Star's editorial page was a drawing of a bearded, gaunt POW. His ankle chained to a post outside his hutch. He looks up watching the flight of American Helicopters fade into the distance. Below the cartoon is a three word quote: "Thanks for trying".

Brigadier General Leroy J. Manor, Colonel Simons, SFC Adderly, and TSgt Leroy W. Wright were decorated by President Nixon at the White House on November 25, 1970 for their parts in the rescue attempt.

The remainder of the raiders were decorated by Secretary of Defense Melvin R. Laird at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on December 9, 1970.

[Canadian Outrage]

Well the BLOOD of EACH US child that is sold or smuggled out of the country into sex slavery is DIRECTLY on the head and hands of the President and the State Department heads. There WILL be a big payday one day.

I somehow don't think Saudi Arabia's power over the US is all oil. I believe that it is the threat of pulling all their money out of stock market that has each successive Administration by the nuts.

[Canadian Outrage]

I think that anything Posner knows still has to do with Van der Slut Senior!!!! Natalee's blood was shed on that Island. If there were no violence against Natalee and an indication that she had been drugged, then there wouldn't have been her blood in Deepaks car. And clincher for me is the PVDS calling his little meeting around their pool to give his "legal advice" about how to avoid murder charges. The key being: "no body, no case filed"!! Also, WHY would Van der Sloot "go crazy" at the request to search his property? I'm STILL not buying the sex slave trade issue in THIS case. But that's Just my opinion.

[Canadian Outrage]

I do recall the story of Ross Perot sending in rescuers for his own employees.

[shebacal]

I do recall the story of Ross Perot sending in rescuers for his own employees.

I first read the book "On Wings of Eagles" several years ago, and was very impressed with the rescue project led by Bull Simons.

I reread the book a month ago, and was just as gripped with the sequence of events, the danger from the tyranny and chaos in Iran and Ross Perot's determination as the first time.

The pictures of the EDS hostages re-united with their families was so heartwarming.