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To: Ichneumon
How freaky is it that every time a creationist is simply asked whether he condones dishonesty by creationists, he can't even bring himself to say, "no, I dont"?

OK, I'll be first, "No I don't." I've made my points in earlier posts. We have a local guy here who is seen as the "expert" for ID. But all he wants to do is get his name in the papers and push his little political agendas. He comes up with the dumbest stuff (e.g. you can't have a dog and cat have a dat"). He doesn't do the creation movement any good at all. Yet he still thinks he's someone special. I will still believe in creationism and ID for a long time, but again as I've said many times before, I have no problem with evolution or learning it. Too many times people want to reject ALL science based on their being against evolution. That is not practical either. I can let someone have their belief on evolution and can respect it, just as I can those who believe in creationism and ID. My own view that nobody really knows exactly every little thing came about makes it so I have little conflicts.

You won't find many or hardly any creationists who will be able to go toe for toe on scientific issues regarding evolution. Some can on some points, but on everything, it's hard BECAUSE creationism requires a different type of approach AND there are actually a lot of views and versions of it.

I know I can't go toe to toe, but I don't need to (not saying any all-knowing thing here).

211 posted on 10/23/2005 2:58:02 PM PDT by moog
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To: moog
[How freaky is it that every time a creationist is simply asked whether he condones dishonesty by creationists, he can't even bring himself to say, "no, I dont"?]

OK, I'll be first, "No I don't."

Cool, thanks. But I think your response actually reinforces my point instead of refutes it. From the rest of your post, it sounds as if you're not an *anti-evolution" creationist, is that correct?

Although I didn't use that exact term ("anti-evolution creationist") in the above passage, that's the specific kind of creationist I was talking about, which I hope was clear enough from the rest of my post. I have no beef with people who believe that God was involved in creation in some manner but who aren't rabidly anti-evolution, even though such folks could reasonably be called "creationists" as well.

The term "creationist" is usually used on these threads to refer only to the anti-evolution type -- I wish there were a more specific word meaning "anti-evolution creationist", but there isn't (that I'm aware of), and the "AEC" designation is really unwieldy (especially since the "AEC" folks refer to *themselves* as simply "creationists"...)

222 posted on 10/23/2005 3:19:08 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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