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Majority of Americans Reject Secular Evolution (Gallup Poll, Sep. 2005)
BP News (Baptist Press) ^ | October 19, 2005 | Michael Foust

Posted on 10/23/2005 12:06:32 AM PDT by GretchenM

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To: everyone; Sir Francis Dashwood
Sir Francis Dashwood wrote:

* The First Amendment says that Government must exorcise all traces of religion and theism from itself. *

The First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law respecting the [differing & divisive] establishments of religions.

The religion clauses were designed in significant part to try to temper religious disputes: -- The social dissension that grows out of the fact that people have different religions.
Thus, it is not necessary for governments to 'exorcise all traces', but to just avoid backing specific beliefs, -- those that divide us.

81 posted on 10/23/2005 11:17:11 AM PDT by faireturn
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To: American in Israel

second answer to same post:

There is a math term for the transitional fossil situation but I have no idea what it is.

We have fossils A and B. Wow, there's a gap. Fossil C is discovered and now, more wow, there are two gaps: A-C and C-B.


82 posted on 10/23/2005 11:20:33 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi

Meanwhile left-brained liberal secular humanist dorks in major universities spend hours upon hours trying to figure out sophistical ways to make people believe that D.B. Cooper was descended from monkeys in an anxiety-ridden effort to overturn Christian sexual morality.

83 posted on 10/23/2005 11:21:12 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: From many - one.
Yeah, thats the ticket...

Faith is a beautiful thing, like the color balance of a tropical bird.

And fossil trees standing upright are 10,000 year old forests, must be real rot resistant trees... And the earth is a billion years old, even though the moon is a positive feedback balance, and the sun is going to last a few hundred thousand years more, despite the CME events pointing to a Nova in the near future, and the universe is Billions of light years wide because of red shift, even though the pioneer space craft is currently displaying red shift...

Get a clue, your religion is science retarded, things have come a long way from Darwin's day. Even he said that if transitional fossils were not found in the next 100 years his theory was false.

Even Darwin would be a creationist at this point.
84 posted on 10/23/2005 11:21:28 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

"Funny thing is, its the same group that believes in evolution."

Given that belief in the paranbormal and belief in evolution tend to be inverse (one goes up whne the other goes down) I suspect you are wrong but I'm not sure because I couldn't find good data on it.

http://static.highbeam.com/s/skepticaltadenaca/march222001/pollsshowparanormalbeliefsontheriseevolutionbelief/


85 posted on 10/23/2005 11:22:25 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican

prolly closer to 80 (the average)


86 posted on 10/23/2005 11:22:57 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: American in Israel

Wrong on every point. Sorry.


87 posted on 10/23/2005 11:23:11 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.
Try Creation Research Institute. All other teachers are banned, kinda like the days when Christians were trying to convince Academia that the earth was round.
88 posted on 10/23/2005 11:24:41 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: going hot

mean, median or mode?


89 posted on 10/23/2005 11:24:43 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: American in Israel
Have you ever gone beyond evolution 101?

TA'd it and taught it once. Does that qualify me?


...because if you did, you would know that evolution 101 has been disproved a long time ago, but as a religious foundation it remains. It has been replaced by punctuated equilibrium because of no transitional fossils.

Incorrect. Evolution has not been disproved. In thousands of tests for 150 years it has been supported. And that includes fields of study which did not even exist 150 years ago (genetics, DNA research, radiometric dating, etc.).

There are lots of transitional fossils. Try PatrickHenry's List-O-Links or Ichny's great post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410029/posts?page=661#661.

The only contention to the theory of evolution comes from religious people whose beliefs teach them otherwise. Not from science.

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"

Hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was accepted in chemical practices"

Belief: any cognitive content (perception) held as true


90 posted on 10/23/2005 11:26:06 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: American in Israel

You are referring to the corners of the earth (yes, I've read more than Genesis)?

And your credentials are?


91 posted on 10/23/2005 11:27:34 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.

mean, and sometimes mode, based on some posts


92 posted on 10/23/2005 11:27:51 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: mlc9852

"there are two obvious problems with radioactive dating for geological purposes: 1) uncertainty about the composition of the original sample and 2) possible losses of material during the time span of the decay."

The original composition question is the bigger issue but it introduces uncertainty of only a few percent. Radioactive dating correlates almost perfectly with items where the age is known for some other reason - like things made in Roman times and stamped with a date.

Since Radioactive dating places the age of some rocks in the billions of years a small percentage error (or even a large percentage error) would still have the age in the billions of years.

And unlike evolution this is something that can be done in a lab and the technique can be taught in an afternoon.

The only way I have ever heard to reconcile this with the bible is that God purposely set out to test out faith by making billions of different objects all have the radioactive signature of being much old - it would have to be a deliberate and large scale trick by God.


93 posted on 10/23/2005 11:28:09 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: Kozak; All

"Science isn't conducted by polls"


No...but science is often funded by tax-payers...who are often polled and who vote in POLL BOOTHS!


94 posted on 10/23/2005 11:31:47 AM PDT by mdmathis6 ("It was not for nothing that you were named Ransom" from CS LEWIS' Perelandra!)
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To: gondramB
No I think you will find that people who believe in Creation tend to not believe in UFO' etc... No UFO's or ghosts in the Bible. Most Creationists tend to be Biblically based.
95 posted on 10/23/2005 11:32:39 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: From many - one.

Right on every point, sorry.


96 posted on 10/23/2005 11:33:06 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: From many - one.
No I am not referring to the four corners of the earth. Credentials are useless in the face of reality. Those who tend to think themselves wise, tend to grant those who think like them credentials.
97 posted on 10/23/2005 11:34:27 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: gondramB

Things made in Roman times don't go back billions of years.


98 posted on 10/23/2005 11:34:33 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Coyoteman
If you cannot look out your window, or in a mirror and see intelligent design, then how the heck can I describe colors to a blind man?

Man cannot design an amoeba, but an amoeba can design a man. Those who think themselves wise, become as fools when they worship creation rather than a Creator.

99 posted on 10/23/2005 11:36:50 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: mlc9852

"Things made in Roman times don't go back billions of years."

No they dont. But the same basic techniques are used.


100 posted on 10/23/2005 11:37:01 AM PDT by gondramB
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