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Majority of Americans Reject Secular Evolution (Gallup Poll, Sep. 2005)
BP News (Baptist Press) ^ | October 19, 2005 | Michael Foust

Posted on 10/23/2005 12:06:32 AM PDT by GretchenM

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To: American in Israel

The word vestigial, or remnant is relevant here.


121 posted on 10/23/2005 11:56:53 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: American in Israel
"To choose the appendix as a remnant of a cellulose digestive system takes a complete lack of understanding of not only the digestive system itself, but the physics of the teeth necessary to grind cellulose and the lining necessary to keep the appendix from being punctured by the food."

And yet it most definitely IS a vestigial of a cellulose digesting organ.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/vestiges/appendix.html


"One thing for sure, stuff your appendix with chewed up bushes and you die. The one thing it could NOT be is a cellulose digestive system!"

That's the whole point, it can't do it anymore.

"Unless of course, by faith that surpasses any Bible believer."

Is there anything that surpasses the faith of a Biblical Literalist?
122 posted on 10/23/2005 11:57:44 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: From many - one.
Actually I have some credentials, but I tend to hope my arguments stand on their own weight. Dr and Reverend are both useless appendages in my opinion if the argument cannot hold water. Which, by the way does not prove the evolutionary faith, nor creation.

You can neener, neener all you wish, it does not impress me. You could also discuss the subject and not spend your typing effort in attacking the messenger because you cannot dispute the message.

Get it? I do not care if you think I am not "certified" most evolutionists I have met are frankly "certifiable".
123 posted on 10/23/2005 11:58:23 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Is there anything that surpasses the faith of a Biblical Literalist?

...naaah. Too easy

124 posted on 10/23/2005 11:58:25 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: American in Israel

I don't post my degree either, but I do post citations.

Your posts do not stand on their internal logic and have no plce to look to document either the reasoning or the data.

That doesn't work.


125 posted on 10/23/2005 12:01:24 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

" Is there anything that surpasses the faith of a Biblical Literalist?"

There aren't really any bible litteralists because they are all selective in which parts they take literally - there is just too much in the bible that is either archaic (like the rules for selling your daughter into slavery), symbolic 9like the command to take up the serpents or impractical like the dietary rules or the command to "suffer not a witch to live."


126 posted on 10/23/2005 12:10:12 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: American in Israel
I have heard of bones from living elephants and eggshells being radioactivly dated as over a hundred thousand years old. Yet the egg shells were chicken eggs from living chickens. How can that be if the science is so solid?

I spent most of a half hour on google but could not find any reference to this.

(But I know know more than I ever wanted about the domestication history of chickens.)

127 posted on 10/23/2005 12:13:28 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: American in Israel

"No I am not referring to the four corners of the earth. Credentials are useless in the face of reality. Those who tend to think themselves wise, tend to grant those who think like them credentials."

We have a saying in physics - "necessary but not sufficient."

Putting in the time to read and study the bible is necessary but not sufficient to speak authoritatively about what the bible has to say.

Grounding in basic scientific principles is necessary but not sufficient to argue effectively about science.


128 posted on 10/23/2005 12:14:09 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: gondramB

Often I'll use the term "Genesis literalist" since that seems, as you pointed out, to be the only part of the Bible that is actually taken literally by Creationists.


129 posted on 10/23/2005 12:15:22 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: GretchenM

25% of Americans believe the sun revolves around the earth. (Source National Science Foundation, 2001)


130 posted on 10/23/2005 12:16:23 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
So now I have to guess if you are serious, or sarcastic. If Serious, you may find interesting things, if sarcastic, I am wasting my time.

False Assumptions of Radio Carbon dating

Dating Dinosaurs

excerpt: With regards potassium argon dating of recent volcanic eruption material it must be pointed out that such material from Mt. St. Helens eruptions of the 1980's gave very old ages in the range of 300,000 to 2.7 million years. This is not only so for Mt. St. Helens but also for modern volcanism in Hawaii and New Zealand. It's then logical to ask the question, if you can not get the age right for modern volcanism how can you get a correct age for unknown magma such as that in Africa, from where our alleged ancestors came?

Now if you are truly interested in the subject, you will enjoy these sites. If you are just a priest saying a mantra, you will hate them.

Know what I hate? Doing research for people who refuse to learn so they can piss on the results and the researcher.

131 posted on 10/23/2005 12:20:45 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Alter Kaker

"25% of Americans believe the sun revolves around the earth. (Source National Science Foundation, 2001)"

Hey, if it makes them feel good, who are we to say they are wrong? I mean, it's only right that we consider all points of view in an educational setting. The the kids decide what is right and wrong. Teach the controversy!

(/blindingly stupid postmodernist/creationist/whole science mode)


132 posted on 10/23/2005 12:26:42 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Alter Kaker

I gagged on that and googled it.

This article:
Intelligent Design
http://d446119.po43.pogotek.com/Resources/contributions/050930_Berman.html

not only convinced me about the science ingnorace but also the malignant nature of ID


133 posted on 10/23/2005 12:27:29 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: American in Israel

We were talking vestigial organs. Or maybe you forgot?


134 posted on 10/23/2005 12:29:04 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: From many - one.; Alter Kaker

ingnorace =ignorance

I ususally don't correct typos if they don't disturb the meaning, I make too many. But this deservd highlighting. :->


135 posted on 10/23/2005 12:30:20 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: ohhhh
I have prayed that the Lord Jesus will bring an end to the public school system which destroys all of America's children's future.

That's why we have private schools.

It's the parents choice what and where they want there kids taught, not religious fanatics.

That is why teaching ID in public school is not O.K. If parents want this then go to Catholic school or the like.

Teach your children well.

136 posted on 10/23/2005 12:32:04 PM PDT by md2576 (Don't be such a Shehan Hugger!)
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To: gondramB
No, actually if you apply science to the Bible you come out very well indeed. It has been a fascinating study for me. For instance, for a long time I heard the statement that the earth had waters above, and waters below and that when the Noah thing happened it rained for 40 days and the earth was flooded. Now that totally tweaked me for a while till I understood that water, when super cooled is a super conductor. Know what a super conductor does when it is put in a magnetic field? It is suspended. So if the earth had rings of ice, it would have been a stable condition.

It also would have drastically reduced the radiation from the sun and space, throwing off radio carbon dating world wide!

A near miss by an asteroid, or even a capture event could have unbalanced the entire structure and caused the ice rings to tumble into the gravity center. But this is the kicker, the ice would have come in at the poles, if it was super cooled, not the equator. Ice thickness tests of the polar caps show that the ice thickness is centered around the Magnetic Poles not the true poles. This clearly indicates that the Ice caps are not a weather phenomena, but a space borne phenomena! In other words, the Ice Age may be a one time event, and global warming is caused by Ice melting. Gasp, the world gets warmer when Ice melts, go figure.

Not politically correct science, but science none the less. And FUN! I love science.

137 posted on 10/23/2005 12:33:30 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

My mistake; we were talking about vestigial organs about which you have not answered my assertions, but I also chimed in on your claim that scientists have dated elephant bones from modern specimens and egg shells of modern birds as being 100,000 old.

We are still waiting for any evidence of this. Please post a citation or move on.


138 posted on 10/23/2005 12:34:00 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: md2576
That is why teaching ID in public school is not O.K. If parents want this then go to Catholic school or the like.

That is why teaching ID in public school is required by law, because force collecting taxes to teach your religion by the state is an illegal violation of the separation of Church and State. If you want to teach Darwinism, pay for it yourself. Till then, teach all things that can be aruged intelegently and let the kids choose. Anything else is political or religious indoctrination.

On a level playing field, Creation Science holds its own, that is why Darwin based Humanists are so afraid of it.

139 posted on 10/23/2005 12:37:40 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Obviously we have moved on. See 137.

I, for one, am clearly not qualified to deal with such brilliance, covering so many diverse fields.


140 posted on 10/23/2005 12:39:21 PM PDT by From many - one.
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