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Returning to Dover [evolution trial in Dover, PA: week 2]
York Daily Record [Penna] ^ | 03 October 2005 | TERESA MCMINN

Posted on 10/03/2005 6:22:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

After a weekend break from a court case involving intelligent design, the Dover school board officials will face business as usual. The board today will hold its first school board meeting since the trial began.

On Sunday, Dover school board member David Napierski said he sympathized with the time fellow members Shelia Harkins and Alan Bonsell have spent on the court case.

“I really haven’t seen it erode them from their duties,” he said. “It definitely has taken a lot of their time . . . I think it is sapping some of the people, too.”

The trial began Sept. 26 in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg. It resumes Wednesday.

Napierski hopes to attend at least one day per week of the trial.

“We’re seeing one side of the whole picture right now,” he said. “I think it’s going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.”

He said dealing with the court case while running the school district is a “double-edged sword.

“I just hope and pray that our focus will stay on business,” he said.

School district residents might have a difficult time resuming day-to-day life as it was before the trial began.

Lonnie Langioni left his position as a school board member in Dover in 2003. He said the issue has divided the community and he wants folks to again be friends.

“We’re just going to have to let it run its course,” he said about the trial. “I’m just waiting for the day that this is all over and that the people of Dover can go back to talking to each other again.”

He said he follows the case and reads newspapers and articles online.

“It’s crossed all kinds of lines,” he said of the trial. “Dover is a great community. We all need to respect each others’ viewpoints.”

Former Dover school board member Barrie Callahan, a plaintiff in the court case, is ready to spend more time in court this week.

“The case needs to proceed,” she said Saturday. “I know the issue. To see it through the process is truly fascinating.

“You’re seeing the best of the best,” she said about attorneys. “It is an honor to be in their presence.”

She said she’s been following news of the trial posted online.

“It’s not about little tiny Dover,” she said. “This case really, really is important.”

UPDATE

Trial schedule: The trial resumes Wednesday and Thursday in U.S. Middle District Court in Harrisburg and is scheduled to continue Oct. 12, 14, 17 through 21, 24, 27 and Nov. 2 through 4.

At stake: It’s the most significant court challenge to evolution since 1987, and it’s the first time a court has been asked to rule whether intelligent design can be taught in public schools. Experts say the case’s outcome could influence how science is defined and taught in schools across the country. The lead defense lawyer said he wanted to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Coming this week: Among the scheduled witnesses: Dover school district science teacher Bertha Spahr and Jennifer Miller and plaintiffs Cynthia Sneath, Joel Leib and Deb Fenimore.

Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University, also is scheduled. Forrest co-authored “Creationism’s Trojan Horse,” subtitled “The Wedge of Intelligent Design.”


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; evolution
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To: Nathan Zachary
The point made is that evolution theory says life created itself.

Does creationist theory say you can lie your way into heaven?

121 posted on 10/03/2005 11:13:58 AM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
If you want to "observe" something, toss a frog in a blender then let the mixture of everything needed for life to create itself sit in the sun.

No that would be intelligent design. It took intelligence to throw the frog in the blender, and intelligence to press the blender switch. So funnily enough you have just disproved Intelligent Design, not evolution.

122 posted on 10/03/2005 11:14:46 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: RightWingNilla
How about the fact that humans and chimpanzees share about 98% sequence similarity, including broken genes and other junk DNA. And a chevy camaro and a pontiac firebird probably have greater than 98% similarity. That does not prove anything. Except in the case of the cars, they were designed nearly identical.
123 posted on 10/03/2005 11:15:18 AM PDT by 3dognight
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To: 3dognight

If a chevy camaro and a pontiac firebird both had an identical set of scratches on the paint work I would suspect they had originated from the same source.


124 posted on 10/03/2005 11:18:26 AM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith; Nathan Zachary
NZ - If you want to "observe" something, toss a frog in a blender then let the mixture of everything needed for life to create itself sit in the sun.

BS - No that would be intelligent design. It took intelligence to throw the frog in the blender, and intelligence to press the blender switch. So funnily enough you have just disproved Intelligent Design, not evolution.

I have friends in France who would take you to task on your assertion.

125 posted on 10/03/2005 11:18:27 AM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: js1138
Perhaps Nathan Zachary and Randall Niles were both touched by the same intellegent creator and wrote the exact same words independent of each other? I just calculated on the back of my hand and the odds are better than a blended frog putting itself back together and furthermore, there's no such thing as a dishonest creationist right?
126 posted on 10/03/2005 11:18:49 AM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: VadeRetro
I see "Troll-fest 2005" is well underway, featuring a rag-tag band of hearty anti-Evo "newbies" miraculously equipped with lengthly ping lists, and armed with shop-worn arguments and bogus quotes with which to toss rhetorical Molotov cocktails on the thread, in a desperate hope to incite a flame war with the Evos.

Any bets as to how many of them last the week....????

127 posted on 10/03/2005 11:20:36 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: Nathan Zachary
Be careful Zach,

The rules of these threads.. are that they get to use all those sorts of analogies (and actually much much worse and more ugly), but you do not, got it?

Remember.. you are up against the greatest minds of the Cosmo-Evo Cult of the flying spaghetti monster /sarc>

If you do then do so at your peril.

Wolf
128 posted on 10/03/2005 11:21:03 AM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: bobdsmith

129 posted on 10/03/2005 11:23:33 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: RunningWolf
Look at both the accuser and the accuser.

LOL!

Careful, your multiple personality disorder is showing.

130 posted on 10/03/2005 11:24:20 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: RogueIsland
That policy is so gay.

Apparently it is, in the high-school slang sense.

Double standards all around.

131 posted on 10/03/2005 11:28:08 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: bobdsmith
If a chevy camaro and a pontiac firebird both had an identical set of scratches on the paint work I would suspect they had originated from the same source.

My point is that sometimes things are very identical because they are designed that way. It does not prove anything about evolution.
132 posted on 10/03/2005 11:28:22 AM PDT by 3dognight
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To: RunningWolf
Remember.. you are up against the greatest minds of the Cosmo-Evo Cult of the flying spaghetti monster

I think the FSM is pretty funny myself. Don't you guys have a sense of humor?

133 posted on 10/03/2005 11:29:14 AM PDT by narby (Creationists and IDers, Stuck On Stupid for 150 years.)
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To: Right Wing Professor; Nathan Zachary; Admin Moderator
ModernMan got banned for a lot less than that and no one has been able to figure out what SeaLion got pulled for!
134 posted on 10/03/2005 11:30:14 AM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: narby
Don't you guys have a sense of humor?

And where, pray tell, in the Bible does it say you can have a sense of humor?

135 posted on 10/03/2005 11:30:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: shuckmaster
massive anti-science troll ping list

please define for me:

Massive
Anti-science
Troll

ping and list are gimmies...

I was pinged by him on that list.

136 posted on 10/03/2005 11:31:38 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: VadeRetro
There is no transitional fossil record.This is what is needed to give any evidence for Darwins theory of evolution ( descent with modification). There is no transitional fossil record.

But by all means, if you claim there is one show us all. I'm sure every museum in the world would be interested in acquiring it for even ONE species.

Darwin also said everything sprouted forth from spontanious generation. Everything, plant and animal, has one common ancestor, a supposed single cell that created itself. He said " original life probably arose from a "little pond" where sunlight was acting on organic salts". Modern evolutionists, proclaim that "ultraviolet light acting on a primitive atmosphere of water, ammonia & methane produced a "hot dilute soup" of basic life".

If you find that funny, so do I. It's magic! The people claim ID relies on magic, I claim so does TOE. At least ID is more believable. Modern biology proves ID. Nobody put me up to anything. My posts reflect both what evolutionists say and creationists say. Perhaps TOE people should read up on what TOE is, before they claim "it doesn't say that". TOE is Cosmic Evolution, Stellar Evolution, Chemical Evolution, Planetary Evolution, Organic Evolution, Macro Evolution and finally Micro Evolution. each step in the TOE requires magic. If you find it humorous, good. So do I. TOE people make such fools of themselves.

137 posted on 10/03/2005 11:32:18 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: narby
No sense of humor? Creationists have the funniest comics in the world.


138 posted on 10/03/2005 11:36:51 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: narby
I think the FSM is pretty funny myself. Don't you guys have a sense of humor?

Actually yes, you might not see it though.

Wolf
139 posted on 10/03/2005 11:38:33 AM PDT by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Nathan Zachary
There is no transitional fossil record.

False

I'm sure every museum in the world would be interested in acquiring it

Every natural science museum already has plenty off them. Quit making such a fool of yourself and stop by to check them out sometimes.

140 posted on 10/03/2005 11:38:48 AM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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