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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 16
Various News Outlets | 8/26/05

Posted on 08/26/2005 4:40:09 PM PDT by TexKat

Surinamese Deepak Kalpoe, 21, arrives to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Aruban police arrested Kalpoe and his brother Satish, 18, along with a third person according to government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg, saying he doesn't know if the arrests are connected to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The two brothers had been previously detained and released. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

Surinamese Satish Kalpoe, 18, front, gets in a car to go to court in Oranjestad, Aruba, Friday, Aug. 26, 2005. Two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, who had been detained and released in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway were arrested again Friday based on new evidence, officials said. The brothers were detained on suspicion of involvement, with unidentified 'other people,' in premeditated murder and rape, the prosecutor's office said. Person to the right is unidentified. (AP Photo/Farrah Boekhoudt)


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To: Yaelle
Later found out that Shango is also the high priest of Santeria (and Santeria is very powerful in Aruba's neck of the woods). To cut a really big deal with the dark forces behind Santeria, human sacrifice is the best currency.

And if Santeria isn't at the bottom of this case, it could be a gang-rape film to be sold over the internet. There are so many strange possibilities that I can't even sort them out anymore. Aruba and this case may consign "Occam's Razor" to the dustbin of history.

321 posted on 08/27/2005 12:02:34 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: maggief
Sounds like C&C was an OFFICIAL headquarters for their pimping/porn business. I mean up to the manager is in on the whole mess.

It also sounds like Joran was in a very weak way trying to warn Natalee and her friends not to go there that night because at that time (earlier in the day) he knew what he was going to do and was kind of hoping it wouldn't be her (such a nice girl). Didn't Ted Bundy do that to someone he knew, tell her never to hitchhike 'cause there were creeps out there? Same kind of thing.

322 posted on 08/27/2005 12:04:01 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle; Dark Skies

Here's a paragraph from a review of "Many Colors Make The Thunder-King":

[In simplest terms, what we have here is a fun-loving fairy tale. Shango, the Thunder King of the play's title, embarks on a good old-fashioned soul-search that leads him toward romance, intrigue, and adventure. He also must confront a wave of riddles about who we are and how we got here, and by play's end, the moral of the story--don't be overly ambitious, and don't abuse the generosity of Mother Earth--is clear. Three drummers sit stageside, thumping out waves of wonderfully contagious rhythms as the story unfolds. The show emits a traditional, communal ambience, with its action performed on a wide-open platform; one gets the feeling that the audience for such an event should not just attend, but really participate.]

http://www.citypages.com/databank/18/848/article3294.asp


323 posted on 08/27/2005 12:07:14 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; All

Surpressing San Nicolas And Its People: Discrimination Exposed Posted on 2005-06-14

EAST GREENWICH, R.I./EWORLDWIRE/June 14, 2005 --- White pretty girl from Alabama, U.S.A. disappeared in Aruba May 30,2005 - Last seen with white Dutch boy belonging to a very powerful and influential family that is well-connected to the head of the heads of the justice department in Aruba.

All evidence that could have been accumulated to keep the white suspect detained was ignored and overlooked solely because the white man's word weighs more than the black man's word. "If you are a white Dutch suspect in Aruba, you can easily be turned into a witness as long as you point your fingers to a black man/Arubian," says Edwardo Mathew.

Mathew is uniquely suited to provide commentary on the situation. A native of Aruba who served a sentence at the KIA correctional facility in Aruba from 2001 to 2004, it is widely believed that Mathew was wrongfully convicted. His case is currently being heard before the European Court of Human Rights.

The laws governing Aruba reflect a customary practice of unequal and discriminatory treatment reminiscent of the 1800's when blacks had no rights in society. "How can Natalee's family find justice in Aruba if there is no justice under the Arubian Dutch laws?" asks Mathew. "No man in a civilized country or island anywhere in the world should be held in prison for kidnapping and murder or any other crime by a public prosecutor behind closed doors - yet the public in Aruba is not allowed to receive information. Why?"

The Dutch have most often attempted to portray their disposition as strong advocates of human rights, which stands in stark contrast to a legal system that can hold a suspect without bail for 116 days or more with little or no evidence in a four foot by four foot cell - without a mattress, accompanied by rat and cockroach infestation.

The Dutch/ Arubian justice system permits cases to be heard behind closed doors, providing free reign by the public prosecutor to withhold and/or tamper with information. The Dutch legal system allows judges and prosecutors to function without checks and balances - rulings may be swayed in any direction or favor that suits them personally. "The world should be concerned about this mysterious case as it clearly poses a personal concern for the Dutch public prosecutors and friends," states Mathew.

If there was a crime committed, the American family of Natalee Holloway is looking for justice and not for the innocent black or white man to pay for a crime he did not commit.

"The overriding question is - can justice prevail in Aruba if those who are in charge of enforcing justice have a personal stake in the outcome?" adds Dr. Arianna Mathew, wife of Edwardo Mathew and American citizen. "The appropriate course of action would be for Prime Minister Nelson Oduber to step aside and permit the FBI to lead the investigation in full to prove to the world that Aruba is doing everything to seek equal justice as mistakes have already been made by initially releasing the three boys and holding the two black men."

As the current government, MEP reportedly stated in the Arubian national media that the Dutch judges are not to be trusted.

"We must remember that the Netherlands, 'The Dutch,' for personal reasons held onto their slave trade 15 years after it had been abolished by using this same Dutch legal system," concludes Dr. Arianna Mathew. "Based on the legal system's past patterns and history - can we trust this system now?"


324 posted on 08/27/2005 12:08:30 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Dark Skies
Occam is wrong a lot too! Sometimes he cuts himself shaving, LOL.

But seriously. Aruba seriously needed opening up. A world without morals is evil indeed, no matter how beautiful the shoreline. I am so very sorry that we had to lose poor Natalee Holloway in order to uncover this rat nest.

325 posted on 08/27/2005 12:08:52 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: truthluva

The original Shango is very intelligent, that's for sure.


326 posted on 08/27/2005 12:09:40 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: TexKat

Edwardo Mathew is the guy who was held in prison after getting into an altercation with Ben (Vocking) King. There are allegations that King and PVDS tampered with evidence that was in favor of Mr. Mathew, therefore, he stayed at KIA for quite a while.

PVDS does seem to have some connections but for the life of me I cannot understand how a 'failed judge' could have so much pull. There has to be something else besides his 'job title' especially since he doesn't really have one now.


327 posted on 08/27/2005 12:17:54 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Yaelle
I think we are on the same wave length... thanks for the additional info...
328 posted on 08/27/2005 12:22:18 PM PDT by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: Yaelle
True. I've just been thinking that CC was already involved in some sort of operation on the island (sting/undercover and NOT with ALE). I had thought it was with drugs/terrorists, but the world of drugs leads to many things and his eyes said so much in that interview.

He knew what was to come out, at some date. Now we know why Beth would absolutely not give up. Why she was so appalled at the K2Brothers being let go, and why she is so sure papa is involved. I cannot imagine what hell I would put these "boys" through would this have happened to my daughter.


It's not just pictures, with phones today there is the possiblity of live, streaming video, we don't know what was planned with Natalee. That webblog is one scary thought process, if true. Pure hate for Americans.

I've always been on the keep it simple bandwagon. I cannot believe I am considering all of this. But it apparently is well known on the island that they did call themselves the Pimps (I am getting this from several sites, including SM). The hand signals, the predatory MO, the special treatment (I cannot believe on this small island that the ALE was not ware of their doings)and total unsupervision by parents is a total cultivation of little terrorists.

They started so young. What environment, what parent promotes their own child's self destruction?


Where is he now? What about the jogger? This talk from Beth's lawyer last night regarding his car, what does he drive?
329 posted on 08/27/2005 12:22:40 PM PDT by Rusty Roberts (Aruba has a bad case of the VDS)
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To: truthluva
PVDS does seem to have some connections but for the life of me I cannot understand how a 'failed judge' could have so much pull. There has to be something else besides his 'job title' especially since he doesn't really have one now.

Maybe he knows where the bodies are buried!

330 posted on 08/27/2005 12:26:27 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Dolphy
Did you earlier provide some information on the owner...

Satish Daryanani is indicated to be the owner of the internet cafe.

Aruba Lions Club

OUR WEB SITE : Our nice Web site was planned and built by our dynamic member Ln. Satish Daryanani, owner of the Aruba Internet Cafe and Aruba Digital City (www.arubadc.com), and is continuously revised, upgraded and kept updated by the members of the Aruba Lions' Administrative Cttee for Information Technology. The Aruba Lions expresses words of sincere appreciation to FL Satish for this magnificent state-of-the-art piece of ingenuity and also thank PDG PCC Frank H. Croes for his support and aid in feeding our Web site with updates about zone, district E-1 and multiple district E and other Lions information.

331 posted on 08/27/2005 12:28:55 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

you've got mail!


332 posted on 08/27/2005 12:31:24 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: Dark Skies; hummingbird
Scroll down the pictures here for C&Cs monkeys.
333 posted on 08/27/2005 12:44:58 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: truthluva
PVDS does seem to have some connections but for the life of me I cannot understand how a 'failed judge' could have so much pull. There has to be something else besides his 'job title' especially since he doesn't really have one now.

Maybe PVDS is one major Dutch a$$wipers.

The Aruba Chamber of Commerce & Industry

The members of the Board are elected by residents of Aruba with Dutch nationality whom for one year preceding compilation of the voters' register, appear in the Commercial Register as either owner, manager, director or general proxy.

334 posted on 08/27/2005 12:45:18 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Really interesting what iffing, especially because that's when there was that smoldering anger...haven't seen it before or after that week-and-a-half or so.


335 posted on 08/27/2005 12:45:59 PM PDT by justche (No one can go back and make a brand new start, any one can start now and make a brand new ending)
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To: TexKat

Thanks, TK. I'm suspicious of something here but not quite sure...yet.


336 posted on 08/27/2005 12:47:21 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: texasbluebell
Wonder how much longer PVDS will be walking around a free man...

I hope it is not long . . .

337 posted on 08/27/2005 12:52:49 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: truthluva

Got it and sent back!!


338 posted on 08/27/2005 12:53:01 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: justche
I keep going back to something I read early on about Beth seeing a picture of Natalie and saying "We can fix her" I'm wondering if these are the photos she was speaking of. I had thought that it was from a camera phone....

Wow, justche, I don't know. Do you think she saw pictures that early on?

This is so heartbreaking . . .

339 posted on 08/27/2005 12:55:00 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: All
OFF TOPIC

I hope no one had any trips planned to New Orleans in the near future. We need to stop and pray for the people of south Louisiana. It looks like Katrina is going to hit in what's been called the worst case scenario.

TAW
340 posted on 08/27/2005 12:55:58 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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