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To: Dolphy

If anyone has jeopardized this case it is the Twitty family themselves. They have fed media with speculation and innuendo and when law enforcement doesn't bite on a hook with no bait, then they strong-arm the government and accuse them of a cover-up. Joran, his father and the Kalpoes may well be responsible for the disappearance of Natalee but it has never been up to this family to prosecute them and that is just what the family has done night after night from the day they arrived on the island. The Twittys are damn lucky this is in Aurba because if this were happening in the US you can bet they would be hit with restraining orders, gag orders, contempt of court, trespassing, and libel suits just to name a few.


1,518 posted on 08/24/2005 8:50:25 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Toespi

"The Twittys are damn lucky this is in Aurba because if this were happening in the US you can bet they would be hit with restraining orders, gag orders, contempt of court, trespassing, and libel suits just to name a few."

such malicious and meaningless drivel.

In this country, there would have been an investigation. A timely one, too.


1,520 posted on 08/24/2005 9:00:05 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Toespi

<,p>Well said, Toespi.


1,523 posted on 08/24/2005 9:11:59 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Toespi
If anyone has jeopardized this case it is the Twitty family themselves. They have fed media with speculation and innuendo and when law enforcement doesn't bite on a hook with no bait, then they strong-arm the government and accuse them of a cover-up. Joran, his father and the Kalpoes may well be responsible for the disappearance of Natalee but it has never been up to this family to prosecute them and that is just what the family has done night after night from the day they arrived on the island. The Twittys are damn lucky this is in Aurba because if this were happening in the US you can bet they would be hit with restraining orders, gag orders, contempt of court, trespassing, and libel suits just to name a few.

ROFLMAO keep trying...Aruba LE scr*wed the pooch on this one and the HT's are exercising their freedom of speech to get justice. Have you got a problem with the truth coming out or justice? In the USA there would be some charges of making false statements to the police, obstruction of justice, underage drinking, gambling and depending on the state maybe even statutory rape...oh yea the cops would not likely let the three off based on their phony story, a request would have been made for a consent search, they would have been separated, questioned individually, taken to the station, if consent was not given, a warrant would have been obtained to search the house their cars impound evidence, computers, clothes etc that first night...PC would have been their first lies including Joran saying he didnt know Natalee then he dropped her off and finally he had sex with her when she was incompetent to give consent..

Better check your libel and tresspassing laws..I see neither so far...

Aruba is soft on crime...Wait till you hear about their "trials" mostly just submitting papers, no witnesses, but witness statments..now how can a judge determine credibility from a piece of paper?

http://www.isrcl.org/Papers/Malsch.pdf

Of special relevance for the principle of open justice is the fact that in Dutch criminal cases, most investigation is done by the police in the pre trial stage. Findings are reported in the case file. In most cases, at the actual trial no witnesses and experts are present to be interrogated. Judges base their decisions primarily on the written reports in the case files. There is a lot of paper work in Dutch criminal cases (Malsch & Nijboer, 1999). The somewhat aloof evaluation of evidence at trials, caused by the absence of witnesses and experts, must also have an influence on comprehensiveness for the news-media and the public at large. At trial sessions in the Netherlands, very serious cases are often tried in very little time. The presiding judge summarises in a few lines the reports of interrogations of witnesses, defendants, and experts, and reads aloud only a summary of the extensive reports on the defendant’s personality that have been drawn up by various mental health experts. It is highly questionable whether the general public can fully comprehend cases that are compressed to such a minimum. On top of that, the language that is employed by Dutch legal professionals may very well not be understandable for lay people. Legal terms are not always explained in court.2 This may undermine the working of the principle of open justice to a great extent (Hoekstra & Malsch, 2002). A study on the openness of trial sessions to the public demonstrated that the mean number of visitors per case in the gallery of trial sessions is seven (Malsch & Hoekstra, 1999). From these seven, one was a reporter for a newspaper and two were friends or family of the defendant. The remaining visitors either were part of a school-class or of a group of law students who visited a trial session for educational reasons. A mean of four people per case attended out of general interest in the adjudication of criminal cases. Visibility and audibility of the process from the public gallery, unfortunately, was far from perfect. The clarity of the spoken language differed substantially among the various process participants. 2 In a number of cases, the District Court of Amsterdam has drafted the allegations in colloquial language, but this was not accepted by the Court of Cassation. See HR, 22 juni 1995, NJ 1996, 126 and 127.

1,526 posted on 08/24/2005 9:17:50 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Toespi
The Twittys are damn lucky this is in Aurba because if this were happening in the US you can bet they would be hit with restraining orders, gag orders, contempt of court, trespassing, and libel suits just to name a few.

Oh my, such bluster. Besides most of your points being groundless, I would bet on no such thing. The premise of their dissatisfaction wouldn't repeat itself in this country.

And you call them damn lucky? Pay attention...all they want is to take their daughter home, they have said it repeatedly. You have a strange idea of fortune.

1,532 posted on 08/24/2005 9:33:01 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Toespi
My Dear you are quite full of it tonight, I hope what you just posted leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

I know just reading it really messed me up


1,548 posted on 08/24/2005 10:31:41 PM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: Toespi
while I do think the Twittys and the Holloways have pushed the limits, please remember that it was THEY THEMSELVES that started the investigation and not the polis.....

one has to wonder if the polis would have done anything at all if it didn't have the family breathing down their backs......

1,551 posted on 08/24/2005 11:10:12 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Toespi

If anyone has jeopardized this case it is the Twitty family themselves.

I agree.

And they've done it, for the most part, with the megaphone provided by the cable news networks.

BHT's visit to the internet cafe/ Deepak Kalpoe is where I think they (BHT and NBC) really crossed the line...wading into witness tampering and attempting to bribe a witness territory.

But, it remains to be seen if there is even enough evidence to make this case prosecutable.

What has become increasingly apparent is that the 'news' in this case has the look of being scripted. Every week there is a different story line...one week it was 'Beth Visits Deepak', another week it was the recycled 'Natalee was assaulted/ raped' story, then 'The Searcher's Spar', 'The Incredible Disappearing Gardener', and this week, it's the 'Joran Interview' episode. Long ago this story left 'News' terrain and morphed into a soap opera/ mini-series/ reality TV 'show' with the 'news programmers' scrambling to extend the shelf life of what, for several weeks, has been appearing to be a cold case.

Exotic tropical backdrop. Somehow, I don't think there would have been the same enthusiasm on the part of the newsies if this had happened in Bismarck, ND.

1,555 posted on 08/25/2005 4:04:21 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Toespi
If anyone has jeopardized this case it is the Twitty family themselves.

You really do need to brush those fangs.
1,570 posted on 08/25/2005 7:37:13 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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