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Posted on 08/19/2005 7:02:03 AM PDT by TexKat
Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.
Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.
Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community
Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.
Good read:
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/08/25/case.shtml
COMMENTARY
Look no further than the case of Amy Lynn Bradley
by Dan McGee
Thursday, August 25, 2005
I thought the commentary about the "Natalee Holloway," madness was very interesting.
As a journalist myself, I was wondering where he got the information about the dissention within the Twitty camp.
Now this could be true, and if it is that shows me that the people, who came to Aruba to search for Holloway's body were actually seeking to stroke their own egos. If so, they apparently lost sight of what was supposed to be going on.
Personally I believe what Beth Twitty has been saying about the authorities on Aruba. In fact this was kind of confirmed when the Prime Minister, in what has to be almost the understatement of the year, admitted that there were mistakes made.
If someone wants further proof they need look no further than the case of Amy Lynn Bradley. This woman was kidnapped off a cruise ship that docked at Curacao in March of 1998. A year later she identified herself to an U.S. Navy sailor in a brothel, which I believe, was in the same port she was kidnapped in.
The FBI interviewed the sailor, who waited too long to report this, and confirmed his story. This means that a kidnapped woman was enslaved in a brothel, and made to work as a prostitute, right under the noses of the local police.
In the Holloway case the police waited long enough for any evidence to be covered up before any arrests were made. Then Van Der Sloot's father was briefly arrested and informed the boys that if there was no body, there was no case.
Since the chief of police is Joran's godfather doesn't this indicate something is amiss?
Despite all of this I know that the majority of the people in the Antilles are good, decent people trying to make a living. Just like I met on two sides of this world.
After spending most of my life in tourist areas I know just how difficult making a living can be. My question to them is, what have you become?
I'd bet money that some of the staff at that brothel on Curacao knew that Bradley was a prisoner there and kept against her will. Some of them probably know when and where she was shipped to. If she was killed, they know that as well. In fact some might even have had a hand shipping her to the mainland and might even know just where she actually is.
Of course I can't blame them for being silent.
Once again, look at Aruba. Where is that gardener whose testimony blew a hole in the boy's story? If he's smart, he'll be back on Colombia in hiding or if not probably has suffered a fatal accident. Still, I hope they can find him alive.
So folks, it all comes down to you. It's not 1998 and the Internet allows a person to offer real information anonymously. So far the Bradleys have only heard silence about their daughter. Let's see decent citizens of the Antilles finally stand up and be counted, even if they can't publicly do it.
Oh yes, if you want to respond, forget the hate mail I'm seeing on Holloway's site. That just shows you're worthy of the scorn Beth Twitty and others have for you.
Finally I want to leave you decent types with two American sayings that I think apply. First is "action speak louder than words," let's see those who know either go to their ministers or use the Internet to offer real information to both grieving mothers. Something that might actually help.
And last of all, to you decent citizens of the Antilles, the "ball is in your court." Maybe someday the names of these two unfortunate women be remembered as the turning point when the decent people started to make the Antilles the paradise it should be.
Thanks and good luck
P.S. Any information should be sent to either of the two following websites.
Amy Bradley - TeamAmy@hotmail.com
Natalee Holloway - NataleeHolloway@gmail.com
Maybe that's why God blessed me with 4 sons - so that art gets passed on. They know what is expected of them, and their sister and I expect them to 'practice' on us - opening doors, holding chairs, etc etc. The art of small services is not completely lost - but it's certainly dying out.
If you hold my chair, help me with my coat and all that sort of thing, I'm alot more inclined to bake that pie you want, you know? It all comes around in the end, and everyone is so much happier when we look for ways to take care of each other, rather than looking for ways to get ahed.
Methinks you found the missing link! :o)
Walter Reed Army Medical Center among base closings.
FR Thread: Just Announced: BRAC Approves Closing Walter Reed Medical Center
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1470384/posts
Comparing the Twittys not having to go over the line in the US because there would have been a competent investigation is like saying if the girl had just put out she wouldn't have had to be raped. The fact is incompetent investigations have occurred in the US and defendants' rights are protected probably even moreso than in Aruba. Certainly in the US you wouldn't have somebody languish in jail for months without being charged and without bail being set, and you wouldn't have ceaseless interrogation from morning to night. Nor would you have foreign governments' investigative agencies being brought in.
"...in the US you wouldn't have somebody languish in jail for months without being charged and without bail being set..."
TFB! Thats the Dutch/aruban "justice system".
The remainder of what has happened in aruba wrt this case deliberately exceeds 'incompetence'.....it is transparently nepotism and intentionally a coverup.
Don't even bother to inject some ambiguous moral equivalence with references to the relatively few unintentionally botched investigations of similar cases in the US. Take your apologist attitude elsewhere, or at least please don't post such nonsense to me.
"Comparing the Twittys not having to go over the line in the US because there would have been a competent investigation is like saying if the girl had just put out she wouldn't have had to be raped."
I'm sorry...but that thinking is just too warped...and very sad.
Link to MSNBC video...edited Joran shots out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9071641/
Wow! Revenge for what? Something to do with PVDS? Oops, I forgot to read what's been posting since I got this ping...sorry!
Hey T,
Will do. I just got on board the, "Mothership." Destination is planet 19 and hope those numbers all add up.
Otherwise, somebody has got my number. Top of the evening to you T.
Sci Fi & Company,
NSNR-ZR
Hey Mama,
We boys from the old school eat, sleep and breath chivilary.
"A man never stood so tall, till he stooped to help a fallen woman or a child."
Morals&Dogmas,
NSNR-32nd
NSNR - That's a very sweet sentiment! There are not enough men who realize that this is actually the attitude that enhances women to nurture. You must be the antithesis of machismo...very masculine!
Oh, I do apologize. I fear I have made you blush...
Hey T,
Maybe that logic of (that poster) was suffering from Zombie Dust, Sugar Twin or just plain old shooting up on Peanut Butter.
It is apparent their worm has not fully turned the full 360 degrees.
Tripping in the darkness,
NSNR-WAR
That's what you people don't understand. It's not all about the missing/murdered girl. It's about the incredible injustice that her family and friends face on a daily basis in their quest to simply find out what happened to her.
I've said it before. This case is very similar to one that happened in my own state a little over a month before I was born.
Here, educate yourself. Don't these quotes and articles have a familiar ring to them?
_______________________________________________________________________ The Scene: Philadelphia
Four hundred sailors, scores of FBI agents -- employees of Uncle Sam -- push through dust, weeds, branches, mud and water not far from this national dateline. Eleven hours a day they hunt for clues of three missing men.
Few Mississippians, officials or otherwise, seem to be doing very much active searching.
A Mississippi highway patrolman accompanies each squad of sailors. Their mission, said Gov. Paul Johnson, is to "be certain that the people's houses and property of this area are protected at all times."
Some state investigators, including some brass, spend a good portion of every day under a giant pecan tree behind the small Philadelphia City Hall.
One top investigator, pistol on, lies stretched out in an aluminum, web lounge chair, arms up behind Ms head. Four or five other chairs under the sheltering tree are for other state men who come and go. . . .
State people for the most part seem to be standing by. Federal agents carry the burden of effort to find the missing men.
It is a distinctly pleasant sort of Southern scene-state investigators behind City Hall eat lunch calmly-sardines, cheese, crackers, dill pickles, cold sweet milk. Sometimes there is baloney and souse meat.
Last Tuesday morning several highway patrol cars stood parked near a church to the west. Maybe more such are present than are needed. These officers only stood around talking to each other. "We were just told to park here," said one.
The Philadelphia police chief and his assistants haven't been evident much in the searching either. Most of the time they seem busy about their duties in town. . . . The police chief and Philadelphia's mayor provided a small courtroom for state and federal officers, for private phone calls and conferences. Meetings between federal and state men have been increasingly few recently.
The FBI, quite obviously, is keeping almost strictly to itself. Its information is close-guarded. State men give no evidence that federal agents tell them much when they do sit down together.
There is a careful courtesy between local and state officers and federal investigators. But there is an obvious distance between them too. State people appear to feel that the FBI ought to be confiding more in them. Equally apparent, the FBI -- which usually says as little as possible -- seems to feel its facts are best kept to itself. "Cooperation" in Neshoba County is more ritual than reality.
Gov. Johnson of Mississippi has said, "this [search] is a joint effort. This is a cooperative effort between local, state and federal agents. . . ."
The federal agents do not mix. They attend to their business and mind their tongues. They are quartered in a small motel due west of Philadelphia. They do not tarry long at City Hall when they must visit it.
Monday a federal agent pulled his car up to park near City Hall. His vehicle blocked a woman clerk's car as she worked inside.
A state man suggested someone ought to tell the agent, so he could move his car.
"Wait until he's walked up here," said another state officer under the pecan tree.
"This is a cooperative effort," the governor had said.
Birmingham News, July 2, 1964
_______________________________________________________________________ COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE, GOVERNOR SAYS
Gov. Paul Johnson said today he was "satisfied" that every. thing possible was being done to locate the three civil rights workers missing since earlier this week in East-Central Mississippi.
Johnson told newsmen the disappearance of the three was something that "could happen anytime" in any part of the country. "It happens in New York every night," he said, adding that Mississippi has the second lowest crime rate in the nation.
"I'm satisfied that everything is being done that could be done to find them," he said.
Johnson also acknowledged that a second wave of volunteer workers, mostly college students, was expected to arrive in Mississippi during the weekend to participate in the so-called "summer project."
But he said he understood the number may have decreased from earlier expectations. He said he had beard reports that a number of the students had decided against taking part in the project, some on their own and some because of their parents.
Meridian Star, June 26, 1964
_______________________________________________________________________ "Well, boys, you've done a good job. You've struck a blow for the White Man. Mississippi can be proud of you. You've let these agitatin' Outsiders know where this state stands. Go home now and forget it. But before you go, I'm looking each one of you in the eye and telling you this: the first man who talks is dead! If anybody who knows anything about this ever opens his mouth to any Outsider about it, then the rest of us are going to kill him just as dead as we killed those three sonsofbitches tonight.
"Does everybody understand what I'm saying? The man who talks is dead, dead,dead!"
An unnamed "Mississippi official" (quoted by William Huie in Three Lives for Mississippi)
_________________________________________________________________________ "Maybe the best course for everybody is just to let the bodies lie and let the excitement gradually die down. Once the bodies are found, then there is a great hue and cry to convict somebody . . . to put somebody in jail. And that's a power I don't have. That power doesn't exist in Mississippi. Not even Paul Johnson has any such power. There is no way in the world, in open court, where a twelve-man jury verdict must be unanimous, and where every juror can be polled in open court and made to say how he voted--there's no possible way to ever put anybody in jail. Instead of reducing hate, all a trial can do is spread it. So why should we have all that hue and cry, and a big circus trial, with everybody goddamming Mississippi? What's the use of it? Since a murder like this was expected, why don't we all just admit that we got what we expected and devote ourselves to trying to prevent another one?"
An unnamed Philadelphia businessman
________________________________________________________________________ "Many people in our state assert that there is just as much evidence, as of today, that they are voluntarily missing as there is that they have been abducted." "No one wants to charge that a hoax has been perpetrated, because there is too little evidence to show just what did happen. But as time goes on, and the search continues, if some evidence of a crime is not produced, I think the people of America will be justified in considering other alternatives more valid solutions to the mystery, instead of accepting as true the accusation of the agitators that heinous crime has been committed." Senator James Eastland (7/22/64)
________________________________________________________________________ One last thing, the look on the man's face below has not been seen on anyone in the Holloway/Twitty camp.
The same can't be said for the Arubans.
Hilarious! :o)
Yes, I think we can say set up. If MSNBC doesn't take the bait (doesn't show the film) this all goes away and becomes "much ado about nothing." On the other hand, if they show the film, the gov't may toss not only MSNBC but all American networks.
I have given up on Natalee's family finding out what happened to her (unless Joran, after release, gets drunk and brags about what he knows, which is a distinct possibility.) I don't believe he or anyone else will ever be held accountable for what happened to her. Depressing, isn't it? I would like to be wrong, but doubt it.
My only hope is that more Americans will learn from this example playing out and realize that our system of justice, though far from perfect and with enough loopholes for crooked lawyers to turn it on its head, is far better than what any other western country uses, and is, therefore, worth fighting to keep when the time comes, and we will not allow the rest of the world to railroad us into accepting something far less for the sake of "harmonization." NO OTHER COUNTRY enjoys the protections we do (freedom of speech, press, religion, etc.) because our rights come from God, not from our gov't. and can't be taken away unless we give them away.
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