Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 15

Various News Outlets | 8/19/05

[TexKat]

Profile of Natalee Holloway

Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.

Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community

Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"...if the ALE knows if the messages were altered..maybe someone here knows how you could do it?"

My understanding is that ANYTHING that has ever been on a hard drive can be recovered, even if it has been deleted, unless it is cleaned with a demagnetizer.....there are commercial software programs that claim to clean them, but I don't believe they really do it so that the FBI etc technology cannot recover what was once there.

If I wanted to forever be rid of something on a hard-drive, I'd disassemble the drive and melt the discs with a torch.

As for their short messages, yahoo/MSN/aol/whatever may well be able to provide a complete copy and actual times and messages and/or chatroom uses.....cellphone text messages might be lost forever, except if the cellphone was used to access yahoo/MSN/aol/whatever messenger.

(yahoo/MSN/aol/etc must have hard-drives a mile or so in diameter, LOL.....it is amazing what they provide to LE)

[truthluva]

I think VZ seemed a bit disappointed in Deepak. Deepak goes to C&C's only hours after he had the 'fatherly' talk with VZ. Guess Deepak isn't all too concerned about his situation afterall.

[maggief]

This link has Shelby Cadmus' picture, the video and transcript from the The Abrams Report:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8963420/

Aruba investigation comes to N.J.
Mother and daughter come to Van der Sloot's defense

FREE VIDEO

TRANSCRIPT
Updated: 9:23 a.m. ET Aug. 16, 2005

[girlscout]

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[presently no screen name]

Thanks, NSNR.

I wish I had your graciousness in responding to distruptors but I haven't attained it yet. Perhaps, that is why I hold Beth in such high esteem. Her graciousness no matter what is thrown at her or the deafening silence. Always a lady. We have some idea what Natalee is/was like by her model.

[presently no screen name]

I'm interested in hearing your opinions about the statement on BOR by the parents


Froufrou, I didn't watch BOR but I am interested in hearing about it from other posters.

[pamlet]

Hey there,
I didn't see BOR last night - so I didn't see the girl -

I do remember the dirty dancing picture. I BELIEVE that was taken at the 15th birthday party thingy .. the one where Anita's shirt looks kinda see through. From what I gathered that took place this past spring. When did the family from NJ say the last time they were in Aruba? If it was this past spring - I imagine then that it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that it could be the same girl.

[truthluva]

I think the girl whose parents' voices were heard on BOR last night, is 18 years old. How old is the Cadmus girl?

[pamlet]

I don't know but on a soccer website they have her a senior in the 2003-2004 school year - so 18 is not out of the question..

http://instasports.com/LGA/Soccer/default.asp?CID=3&tid=133302

At least I think it's her - it's a roster from NJ and in the Abram's interview it talked about soccer.

[kcat]

Hey Vn, just got back on since last night...I heard the fbi talked to the kids faster than you can imagine. I don't want to get specific because I don't want to be wrong, but there was no delay. I did hear in the beginning that the fbi asked them not to talk but then later I heard that someone else was not told that so that just gets me into gossiping about the situation.

[kcat]

I don't know if Aruban officials have been here to interview the kids or not.

[Froufrou]

Maggie, thank you for that link. Shelby is a striking girl, don't you think? I have mixed feelings about Cathy Cadmus' remarks. I know I wouldn't like to see my daughter rubbing up against a boy like Shelby did when dancing with him. And I think they are both rather blase about teen drinking, too.

When you think about it, aren't most neighbors shocked when they hear the guy next door has murdered throngs of people? "He was a nice, quiet guy. Very courteous, very respectful."

"I never thought he could do such a thing." They never do.

[truthluva]

["I never thought he could do such a thing." They never do.]

I wonder if there were people out there that would have said the same about BTK, Scott Peterson, Richard Speck, John Wayne Gacy, etc...???

[truthluva]

Here's a pic from the Abrams show:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8963420/

[Froufrou]

Morning Truthie! Thanks for sharing! Yes, that's what I was getting at, particularly Gacy! And Amber Frey really didn't want to think ill of Scott, you know, since they were horizontal bopping!

Have not opened your link yet, going there now...

[Fritzy]

Good Morning NSNR..

Have been working so did not get a chance to participate.. but just read your #885... finally.. Natalee's situation is an international incident.. two months ago I wrote to the Queen (no answer.. plus cannot find my file - I am really challenged with my filing system!)However, we need to start with our Ambassador to the Netherlands.. then find out who is the US State Department's connector to Aruba.. emails, letters, etc.. are a must.. I will try to check out some names and contacts.. I have a conference call with the State Dept tomorrow AM (part of my business) and will inquire about who is who re: Aruba...

I do have one small disagreement with your post.. this is very unusual as you and I are usually in complete agreement.. at least with shared values..

Leaders can easily lead from behind.. it all depends on the issue and how the issue is addressed. I have spent a lifetime leading from behind.. very successfully.. am currently working on a project that requires a very different "talking head".. but all of the concepts and words are mine.. so, am I a leader.. absolutely.. but I am equally realistic and use what ever tool I need to get a job done.. which often means putting a different face on the front "leadership" line... for me, it is keeping focused and my eye on the win.. who is noticed on the front line is of little interest.. it is getting the delineated results.. hope this makes some sense to you..

Will be checking in today.. have a major report to write..
Thanks for your wisdom and your interest in this case..
It really is about Natalee...

Cheers!
The Fritzy

[auboy]

Placemark.

[xnphn]

Mark.

[rolling_stone]

I sure would like to know what Satish has been up to lately, maybe someone can locate and talk to him..I still think he is the weak link who can be broken...as for the polygrapher being on the island, I wonder if that is to give Deepak (or Satish) a chance to try anc clear his name..will he or wont he take a polygraph? methinks not...