Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 15

Various News Outlets | 8/19/05

[TexKat]

Profile of Natalee Holloway

Missing: Natalee Holloway participated in a trip with 125 seniors from Mountain Brook High School to Aruba in the Caribbean. In the early morning hours on May 30, 2005 Natalee was seen leaving a nightclub and getting into a vehicle. She failed to turn up Monday morning for her return flight home and she has not been seen since. Foul play is suspected in her disappearance.

Profile: Natalee Holloway was born on October 21, 1986 to Beth and Dave Holloway. She grew up in the close-knit community of Mountain Brook, a suburb of Birmingham, Alabama. She was very popular and respected by her classmates and had a reputation among peers at being very intelligent and focused on her future. She lived up to her reputation, graduating as an honors student from the Mountain Brook High School.

Extracurricular Activities: During Natalle's high school years she participated several extracurricular activities including: The American Field Service - A club which interacts with the foreign exchange students. Dorians Dance Team Future Business Leaders of America Mu Alpha Theta - Math honor society Natural Helpers - A peer based emotional support group. Outdoors Club Spanish Club Spanish Honor Society Spartan Pride - School pep group. TASC - Teens Actively Serving the Community

Future Goals: Natalee received a full scholarship to the University of Alabama. She planned to major in Pre-Med, in order to pursue her goal of being a pediatrician.

[theophilusscribe]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/19/AR2005081901457.html

Sen. Reid Reports Suffering Mild Stroke

By ERICA WERNER
The Associated Press
Friday, August 19, 2005; 7:40 PM

WASHINGTON -- Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., saw a doctor after feeling light-headed Tuesday and learned he'd suffered a mild stroke, aides said Friday.

"Senator Reid feels fine. There are no complications or any restrictions on his activities. He has undergone evaluations this week, and his doctors have recommended that he take advantage of the summer congressional recess for some down time," said a statement issued by Reid's press secretary, Tessa Hafen.

52 posted on 08/19/2005 7:55:53 PM EDT by maggief (No 'luffs)

[phoebe]

I just pray they have a lot of forensics they haven't told us about. There has to be some reason Joran is being kept all this time. (fingers crossed)

[monkeywrench]

scubajap---LOL! The trolls on the other site hang on his every incorrect word.

[monkeywrench]

Probably the only way to keep his mouth shut, is my guess.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

I have the same questions, as you can see in every post I made about it since it was originally posted here (last thread) less than 24 hrs ago.......but the jist of what the defense might be interested in if there is something in this that would be related to motive, something that they surely need to counter if there was serious discord between jug and the business partner in aruba......if THAT part of it is real, I will state again. All I know is that this story is out here now, and everyone interested is wondering why we are only hearing of it this late in the game.

[penowa]

*

[theophilusscribe]

Clint Van Zandt Interviews an Emotional Beth Holloway Twitty
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1433
by Red



Following Clint Van Zandt’s interview on last nights Scarborough Country, Joe Scarborough asked some very interesting questions regarding Van Zandt’s dealings with Beth. More interesting than the questions, were the answers from Mr. Van Zandt. The fact that he admitted that one “cannot remove yourself” from the difficulty that Beth goes through while investigation, searching or interviewing her with regards to dealing with the missing Natalee Holloway was so on target and what makes this story so captivating. The emotional involvement by so many that have never met this family is amazing. I found when meeting Beth Holloway Twitty in Aruba how difficult it was to maintain any form of objectivity and feel nothing but empathy for her and her family for what they are going through. Beth would try to carry on a normal conversation and all you find yourself doing is being compelled to hold her hand or give her a hug of support. Last night former FBI criminal profiler, Clint Van Zandt, found himself in the same position.

Video from MSNBC of the very emotional interview.
Full transcript

SCARBOROUGH: Clint, obviously Beth was very emotional in that interview with you, crying at one point. I got to ask you, how tough is it for you as an investigator, not only in this capacity, but as an investigator, for the FBI, to not get emotionally involved in cases like this?

VAN ZANDT: You cannot remove yourself, Joe. I mean, I got to tell you, I got sucked into this as soon as I hit the ground. I mean, as soon as you talk to Beth Holloway, as soon as you talk to other family members, I mean, you know, you and I have talked. You‘re a parent, I‘m a parent, we have children. You know that, you know, there but for the grace of God that‘s one of our kids, and when you see how hard this family is trying, doing everything they can. You know, you look, Joe, we don‘t have a victim, she‘s gone. We don‘t have a crime scene. We don‘t have linking physical evidence. It‘s like, you know, something from outer space came down and grabbed this girl off the surface of the planet and took her away, and yet Investigations 101 says, stay with the people she was last with. Their stories have changed multiple times. Do we have any other suspects? That‘s where you have to stay, but, Joe, we are 80, 81 days into this, and the family do not have any more answers to what happened to their daughter than almost the day they hit this island.

SCARBOROUGH: Clint, the tough question, is this case ever going to get solved?

VAN ZANDT: You know, sitting there with Beth today, holding her hands, probably crying with her, I have cried with other parents who‘ve lost children, and, you know, it‘s an easy thing to do. And I will not turn off that emotional porch light on her front door that says, Natalee, come home. You know, I would never take that away from a parent. I mean, we could have another Elizabeth Smart, we could have a runaway bride. I mean, we can hope, we can pray for all of those. You know, and sometimes statistics be darned, it‘s our kids, let‘s bring them home. The reality, from an investigative standpoint is where‘s the hard evidence that says what happened to this girl? I mean, I have a working theory. Law enforcement has. But, you know, theories are just that. Theories don‘t convict anyone. Hard evidence does, and unless they come forward with some hard evidence to show what happened to this girl, they may walk, the suspects.

SCARBOROUGH: Ok. Such a tragedy. Thanks so much, Clint. We greatly appreciate it. We‘ll be talking to you, obviously, tomorrow night also. Now, we have gotten a lot of questions about how Beth is able to spend so much time away from home, searching for Natalee. Today she told us, it‘s thanks to the generosity of her fellow teachers in Alabama. They have donated their sick days so Beth can stay in Aruba longer, fighting to bring her daughter home. Beth expressed how overwhelmed she is by all of her fellow teachers‘ acts of kindness, and I know she greatly appreciates it, as do we. Such a tough time for you her. Again, friends, you have to remember, right now, all of Natalee‘s friends are going off to the University of Alabama, the University of auburn, such an exciting time in a young girl‘s life, such an exciting time in the life of parents. It‘s a time they can say, “You know what, mission accomplished. We got them through high school. And now they begin an exciting voyage,” and yet tonight, Beth Holloway Twitty, far away from Alabama, down in Aruba, still trying to get answers to the questions that she just doesn‘t have.

This entry was posted on Friday, August 19th, 2005 at 7:56 pm

[theophilusscribe]

Robert J
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1553&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=200
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:01 pm

Post subject: "arm" in Caracas..

On a gruesome note, Jossy Mansur, Managing Director of the respected Aruban newspaper El Diario, told the Nancy Grace show he had printed a report in the newspaper on Monday that a forearm had floated up on a shore in Punta Fijo, Venezuela, 18 miles to the south of Aruba. Apparently, the arm was spotted by men on a boat at the shoreline. They called police and police collected the forearm and sent it on to Caracas, Venezuela for DNA testing to see if it belongs to Natalee Holloway.

But CNN's Susan Candiotti said it was unlikely to be Natalee's arm, since the prevailing tides near Aruba run from east to west, not south. Again, the arm was found 18 miles to the south of Aruba.

http://www.newsmanatee.com/pages/breaking.html

[monkeywrench]

Arlene Ellis S is saying on Nancy Grace possibly J will be charged with 'sexual misconduct with an unconscious person' . according to SM.

[theophilusscribe]

They can prove that, but not where Natalee is or that she is dead?
Bizarre.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Designer,
Word Up. To the poster who made a resentful remark at Texkat, needs to make like a tree and leave this thread.

When he or she messes with TexKat, then they mess with all of us on this thread.

I think this individual, best not mess up in a fire-fight for it brings dire consequences.

Don't Shoot The Messenger?
NSNR-CSAOTL

[rolling_stone]

Arlene Ellis S is saying on Nancy Grace possibly J will be charged with 'sexual misconduct with an unconscious person' . according to SM.

I guess he got tired of them saying no when they were conscious...by the way how did she get unconscious? Is that supposed to appease us blood thirsty Americans? What happened to kidnapping?

[monkeywrench]

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?_=aaaaaiaaaaEUMaaaaAA5ITSGKkMYFsEMotcxlTKm LOL!

[presently no screen name]

I just hope that some one like Beth is there for me!


In a way she is there for all of us. We are getting a first-hand education on Aruba/Holland. We will never be fooled w/advertising that says Aruba - the happy island - fun in the sun - we are a friendly people - blah, blah, blah.

[theophilusscribe]

LOL!

[monkeywrench]

I hope this case bites them all so hard....

[No Surrender No Retreat]

XRP,
A rather strange name for a handle. What is it's allegoric allusion? X Rated Pimp? X Ray Person, or Xenophobe Rejecting Prescriptions?

Leave TexKat alone, she is the backbone of this thread. Come here and be gracious and we will accept you. Come here and play the role of a fool and we will reject you.

The ball is in your court XRP, do you wish to get along or be gone?

Freeper Says,
NSNR-CSAOTL

[theophilusscribe]

I have a feeling it will . . .

Galatians 6:7—"Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows."

[monkeywrench]

This is the way the liars apologists are trying to spin it,

"A problem would be that without physical evidence, the prosecution would have a challenge to prove that he caused her to become impaired without her knowledge or consent."

" Why would they have to prove that he caused her to be impaired? Even she became impaired by her own volition it is still a crime for him to commit sexual acts on her. "

" Well you make a good point. They would probably need something more than Joran's allegation that she was impaired. And any way you look at it, it puts the family in a very difficult position."

[monkeywrench]

The one that goes through my mind is the one about the woe to those "dwelling carelessly in the isles". Ezekial, I believe.