[Malichi]

I know what's been said, I've been here since the get go. Cajun Girl had just gotten back from Destin.

My point is that there is probably an "undesirable" element at MBHS (There was one at MRHS in 1982 when I graduated) what do they have to say. Whose idea was it to go to CnC's that night? I'm not talking about Natalee herself but the group as a whole. Kids, as we all know, are susceptible to peer pressure. I am in no means besmirching Natalee's character. I'm just saying that I think there are some people in Mountain Brook who know what really was going on behind the scenes and aren't talking.

It may not involve Natalee at all. What was the fight about in Carlos and Charlie's that night? We all assume it was over Natalee. Maybe it was someone who felt they were buying bunk drugs from Satish, Deepak, Joran, or Steve Croes. Maybe the reason for the fight is key to this case. Maybe Joran and the boys took revenge out on Natalee. I'll admit I have my Tinfoil Derby on tight this morning so flame away. I'm just saying that I was young once as you were and remember how these coming of age trips went.

[Froufrou]

What fight? Where did you hear about that?

I'd say your remarks are possibly realistic, given the raging hormones and the excitement of the trip. And, gifted in every way, perhaps NH was accustomed to males of the species being a bit territorial with her.

Sadly, I suspect that may have had much to do with her demise. I imagine she's the kind of person who wouldn't take any bull from anyone.

[ken5050]

Just catching up with the thread..I wanted to come back to one aspect that I feel is being overlooked, for your comments. First, it goes without saying that whatever Natalie's character, or vices, if any...it's irrelevant to what happened to her, except that it might explain how she found herself in ultimately a life-ending situation..

She had roommates, and none of those roommates were concerned that she never came back to the room that night, nor that she wasn't there when they woke up in the morning, that herbed hadn't been slept in, and they weren't worried enough to immediately call one of the chaperones. The ONLY explanantion that is consistant is that Natalie had told them in advance not to expect her in the room that night..now whether or not she was a closet party girl, or if she was really the innocent naive girl as described who wanted to have an experience, a fling..the last night..kind of a "what happens in Aruba, stays in Aruba" event..then she might have wanted to experiment with alcohol/drugs/whatever....as many have said here..teens do stupid things....but to my recollection we haven't heard from the roomies to explain why they weren't worried when she didn't return that night, or in the morning..

The reason why I raisw this is that is therefor very easy to construct an alternate theory of the events..She's curious..has a fews drinks..many takes some offered drugs willingly..her judgement is somewhat impaired..as evidenced by the fact that she gets in a car with several strange guys...something 99% of girls know NOT to do...assume she goes off willingly with one of them..on the beach..sex occurs..maybe it was her first time..and investigators sahould be able to know with some certainty if she was a virgin, or even slightly experienced....because her best friends would probably know that..teen age girls talk to each other...so after..she's ashamed/embarassed/remorseful..take your pick..she freaks out..tells the boys to leave her alone..get away from her..so they pile in the car and go home..leaving her screaming on the beach..she decides to go into the water..to clean herself...not necessarily implying suicidal..she swims..gets disoriented..panics..drowns..body washes out..marine life can dispose of anything rapidly..and the currents scatter the bones...It's just as plausible as anything else...

Understanding WHY her roomates were NOT upset that she didn't return can, IMHO, give a much better chance to understand what might have happened on the beach. Once we know how her mind worked...we can better grasp what situatuon she might have allowed herself to get into..

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

I'm just saying that I think there are some people in Mountain Brook who know what really was going on behind the scenes and aren't talking.

I tend to agree with you. First we are talking about 18 year olds. Think back to that age. I can remember the stuck-ups, the snobs, the backstabbers, the smart ones, the bookworms, the sluts.

I am not painting Mountain Brook with a broad brush, but at that age, coming out of high school, they were still in their high school group mode. And just as there were bad apples in my school, I am sure Mountain Brook has one or two.

It is not to say that anyone from Mountain Brook had anything to do with this--I am not suggesting it at all. But someone knows alot more than has been told.

Remember the girl on BO'R?

"It's not that no one was looking out for her, it's that everyone was looking out for her.

Strange...