[pamlet]

I agree with you in that kids are going to do INCREDIBLY stupid things... as a parent of 21 and 16 year old boys.. we've had "stupid moments" .. oh for the past 10 years or so... :)

However I do think it's important to understand what Natalee was doing that week leading up to that night - as well as what was going on that night.

Her disappearance is tragic and awful - but I think that in finding the reason she disappeared her actions need to be looked at - not to see if she "was responsible" for what happened to her - but rather how her actions fit into what happened that night.

This isn't a case of a nine year old girl disappearing in the middle of the night from her own home - this is a case of a teenager on vacation in a place that is known for it's "partying"... it complicates things even further... the dynamics are so different.

All the folks involved (except for VDS father) are under the age of 21 ... so ALL of them are capable of doing incredibly stupid things..

I'm hardly an apologist for people who are wicked - but I really wonder when I see the "spinning" of the "facts" that support the case against Joran. I believe he was involved - it's the extent that I'm not so sure about. These threads have him as a psychopath - drugging girls drinks.. yet there is no PROOF of that .. it is pure speculation based on the fact that "Natalee would never have done that" - so we take the premise that this girl we have never met "would never do that" ... and turn a kid we've never met into a psychopath. I just think it's a HUGE leap... I think the truth is somewhere inbetween.

[MAWG]

Stunning, simply stunning.

[doc]

Concerning Urine, this is a 17 year old out of control without punitive measures. Sneaking out and staying in bar/gambling halls until 3 am. on a school night. If it smells, walks, looks,and acts like a duck it probably is a duck

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"All the folks involved (except for VDS father) are under the age of 21 ...

I'm hardly an apologist for people who are wicked - but I really wonder when I see the "spinning" of the "facts" that support the case against Joran."
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One of the Kalpoes is 25....the other 20 or 21.....DJ Steve Croes is over 25

[GarySpFc]

I'm hardly an apologist for people who are wicked - but I really wonder when I see the "spinning" of the "facts" that support the case against Joran. I believe he was involved - it's the extent that I'm not so sure about. These threads have him as a psychopath - drugging girls drinks.. yet there is no PROOF of that .. it is pure speculation based on the fact that "Natalee would never have done that" - so we take the premise that this girl we have never met "would never do that" ... and turn a kid we've never met into a psychopath. I just think it's a HUGE leap... I think the truth is somewhere inbetween. Tinfoil hats everyone.