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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: TexKat
ALLISON: ... their thing, and you have the Dutch marines not doing -- you know, not really coordinating the activity.

These marines were requested long ago, and have not been deployed to date. It shouts from the rooftops that the fix is in.
1,061 posted on 07/06/2005 8:31:08 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Pepper777
It wouldn't surprise me either. His wife just happened to be out of town on the night in question. If true, it makes the blame game, Juran played with his Mom, even more sinister. :( :(

Has it ever been determined where the other sons were? The mother was out of the country. Joran had exams at school the following day. Which makes me wonder if the other two boys had exams the next day, too? Anyone know if they go to school year round, or if they get a 'summer break'?

1,062 posted on 07/06/2005 8:31:33 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: TexKat
we also know that, as far as visitation to the prison that`s here on the island, where Joran Van Der Sloot is -- he`s allowed an unlimited number of people coming to visit him. And nothing is videoed, no audio, nothing recorded on that.

Incredible.

1,063 posted on 07/06/2005 8:32:06 AM PDT by Lucy Lake
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To: Rippersnapper; maggiefluffs
Even Greta commented on how she wasn't sure if Mickey John may have been EMBELLISHING things since he was adding more and more new details.

Please furnish me with a link to where Greta used the word EMBELLISHING?
1,064 posted on 07/06/2005 8:33:17 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Canadian Outrage
DJ - the first 48 ARE the most crucial. But, IF LE had at least seized the Kalpoe bros vehicle and the Van der Sloot vehicle THAT could have produced something of value I'm sure.

So could their clothes.

1,065 posted on 07/06/2005 8:33:29 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; grizzfan; ...
Caribseek Aruba News | Stepfather threatens to release more information, Father refuses to cooperate with investigators - A.M. Digital.

Over the week-end local authorities decided to start “talking” to some members of the family and amongst others decided to talk to Natalee’s father. He became very furious about this and at certain moment decided to leave the table and abandon the police precinct. He did not agree with the form in which he was “attacked”. As such the father refused to cooperate in answering questions that were put to him by the investigating team.

In the meantime we could hear and see on CNN how the step father, mr. Twitty, threatened to disclose damaging information if one or more of the suspects is released. He did not wish to say anything else but we can see here that this person has started to threaten the Aruba authorities and question the country’s judicial system. This is not acceptable.

For what the suspects in the USA are concerned – we cannot qualify them otherwise – we think the FBI has work to do to find out if they really wish to cooperate to bring this case to an end. By the way, on the FBI website Natalee Holloway does not appear as a missing person.

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Stepfather threatens to release more information, Father refuses to cooperate with investigators

by A.M. Digital

Posted: Jul 5, 2005 14:30 UTC

ORANJESTAD - The Investigation Team does not have any new evidence in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The three suspects maintain their declaration and especially Joran van der Sloot maintains that he left Natalee on the beach near the Fisherman’s Huts and walked home, while Natalee told him that she would walk to the Holiday Inn.

There is a long existing pressure on the Investigation Team to change direction of the investigation and start looking to the other side to those closer to Natalee and interrogate the mother, father, step father, and ex boyfriend who was also in the group of students who came here to celebrate their graduation. At some point rumors wanted that the ex boyfriend did not leave Aruba as the immigration department did not register his departure however, according to American Airlines Jeremy Brown was on the flight back to the US on May 30.

Over the week-end local authorities decided to start “talking” to some members of the family and amongst others decided to talk to Natalee’s father. He became very furious about this and at certain moment decided to leave the table and abandon the police precinct. He did not agree with the form in which he was “attacked”. As such the father refused to cooperate in answering questions that were put to him by the investigating team.

In the meantime we could hear and see on CNN how the step father, mr. Twitty, threatened to disclose damaging information if one or more of the suspects is released. He did not wish to say anything else but we can see here that this person has started to threaten the Aruba authorities and question the country’s judicial system. This is not acceptable.

For what the suspects in the USA are concerned – we cannot qualify them otherwise – we think the FBI has work to do to find out if they really wish to cooperate to bring this case to an end. By the way, on the FBI website Natalee Holloway does not appear as a missing person.

1,066 posted on 07/06/2005 8:33:48 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Teri0811

LOL Now the poll is under the sidebar. Smokey back room is listed under the 'browse by forum'. Hope that helps.


1,067 posted on 07/06/2005 8:37:43 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Canadian Outrage
I would agree that the brothers were used.

Aruban Prime Minister saying he would like to see deep divers that can get to areas regualr divers can't. Our Navy may be getting involved. Per FNC.

1,068 posted on 07/06/2005 8:40:46 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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Satish Kalpoe, left, and Deepak Kalpoe were released after being held for nearly a month. Leslie Mazoch, AP

Joran van der Sloot, left, arrives to court in Aruba. Jason Inesea, Bon Dia, AP

1,069 posted on 07/06/2005 8:41:07 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: sarasota; onyx
Lying for a friend doesn't cut it --- they had to have had more reasons.

Lying for a friend does cut it when dealing with folks like these. They know they are a protected species.


Lying for a friend makes perfect sense if you know the alternative may get you a Columbian necktie.

1,070 posted on 07/06/2005 8:42:23 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: BradyLS
Consider: The Kalpoe's were driving the SUV that they were taking Natalee back to the hotel in (or whereever) and drivers are supposed to be responsible for their passengers. If they they say Natalee was drunk or not feeling well or whatever, wasn't it the driver's responisbility to see to it that she was turned over to the hotel staff or her chaperones? I guess it might depend on Natallee's age and whether she is considered to be a "responible adult or not."

Natalee is/was 18 and a responsible adult.

I also think that it would be unfair to hold a 'driver' to a higher care/protection standard than the 'chaperones'. jmo

1,071 posted on 07/06/2005 8:48:46 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: elli1
I told you the comments were not about BH. I never alluded to a 'radio station'. How the hell you got from Geraldo to a radio station and Beth Holloway is a complete mystery.

Easy. My post was to show that there were others complaining and that is wasn't about Geraldo and was getting more exposure. Some posts 'ADD' info and are not contained to a tiny little box.

1,072 posted on 07/06/2005 8:52:12 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper
Aruban Prime Minister saying he would like to see deep divers that can get to areas regualr divers can't. Our Navy may be getting involved. Per FNC.

Why should they come? The Aruban authorities will just block them from diving like they did the FBI divers.
1,073 posted on 07/06/2005 8:53:01 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: elli1
The incident I referred to has been referred to by other posters on this very thread. Well before you admonished me 'to get up to date.'

Sorry you misunderstood. I didn't mean for you to take that as an admonishment. My comment was a jab at the thread police. Some long term followers of the thread are allowed to ask questions, while other long term followers are not and get chastised.

I was kidding with you and thought I included a wink in my post. May I didn't will have to go back and check.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

1,074 posted on 07/06/2005 8:57:08 AM PDT by Rippersnapper (Personal accountability doesn't begin and stop with the other person.)
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To: Rippersnapper

Speaking of evidence. What about the vacumn cleaner bags? They did clean their vehicles. Too late for that, heh?


1,075 posted on 07/06/2005 8:59:28 AM PDT by Li-Li (Induct Roger Maris into the Baseball Hall Of Fame)
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To: TexKat

GretaWire is up on Fox. Only news is that she's hoping to inverview the Kalpoes. However, in light of the fact that the prosecutor is planning to appeal the decision to let them go, she's not very hopeful.


1,076 posted on 07/06/2005 9:02:15 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Rippersnapper

Ah--now I understand. (BTW, you used a :) smiley.) Misunderstanding cleared up. Thanx.


1,077 posted on 07/06/2005 9:04:10 AM PDT by elli1
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To: TexKat

"For what the suspects in the USA are concerned – we cannot qualify them otherwise – we think the FBI has work to do to find out if they really wish to cooperate to bring this case to an end."

This is a STUNNING statement! While it is apparent that it is designed to take some heat from the aruban LE, it also gives credence to and dovetail with the cellphone call called to attention by Greta's interview with the cell provider in aruba who was in contact with the Twittys immediately upon their arrival......

VAN SUSTEREN: After you and Beth listened to that phone call several times and hung up with the person in the states, what did you do next?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1436558/posts?page=254#251


1,078 posted on 07/06/2005 9:07:56 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: GarySpFc
HAPPY ENDING

Sunday morning at the site of the Aruba Hi-Winds at Fisherman's Huts, corporal Iwan Poel, in charge of the Korps Mariniers security-team-at-sea for this watersport event, was sitting on top of the Race Director's tower, looking out at sea, long before the organizers and participants were arriving. Scanning the sea, he spotted a small vessel going out to the open waters of the Palm Beach bay. He took his binoculars and was amazed to sea a green sea kayak, apparently without any occupant, drifting out at sea. Soon, it was no more than a little dot on the horizon. Poel called some of his man, set out one of the rescue boats and headed for the unidentified drifting object. When they arrived at the kayak, they were even more amazed to find a man lying in the kayak, sound asleep, a glass containing his drink clutched in his hand. They woke up the man and towed the kayak back to the beach. There they provided the man, a Colombian residing in Aruba, with some refreshing drinking water and gave him a little speech about drinking combined with managing a vessel, before the man got on his way back to were he set out from. By doing so, the attention of the representative of the Royal Dutch Marines spared Aruba another case of a missing person . . .

1,079 posted on 07/06/2005 9:08:52 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Nita Nupress

Lying speaks volumes concerning a person(s) true character, either as a criminal or human being. NSNR


1,080 posted on 07/06/2005 9:09:50 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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