LIVE THREAD: SCHIAVO AUTOPSY PRESS CONFERENCE11:00 AM EST FROM CLEARWATER, FLA

ABC Action News Local Affiliate, Tampa, FL | June 15, 2005 | Floriduh Voter

[floriduh voter]

This is news/activism. Terri Schindler Schiavo is still in the headlines. The death lobby shouldn't kid themselves. We are not going to forget...

LIVE THREAD of Terri Schiavo Autopsy Press Conference. It begins at 11:00 pm est from Clearwater, Florida at the Medical Examiner's Office right down the road from where Terri was starved & dehydrated to death.

The ME will have to address that hmmmmmmmm?

John Throgmartin, ME, here he goes. Dr. Steven Nelson joins him. HERE WE GO.

[floriduh voter]

Guess what? I am civil. You don't see me calling anyone idiots except the parties to the matter. They are idiots. I don't insult freepers but they like to take cheap shots at me all the time.

[Spiff]

Removing the feeding tube led to her death - you can call it anything you like.

Close. The removal of ALL hydration/nutrition - as ordered by Judge Greer - lead to Terri's death. Go read the order. It did not say that the feeding tube was ordered to be removed, it said that ALL hydration and nutrition were to be ceased.

[Howlin]

Pretty meaningless statement

Aren't they all to you?

[mountaineer]

I got the impression, months ago, the autopsy was going to PROVE to one & ALL, ONCE & FOR ALL, MS had abused Terri.....

Interesting. When it cannot be proven that a particular event happened, some will continue to insist that it still happened - even when the evidence proves the opposite. Isn't that disconnect with reality called psychosis, or something?

[Lord_Baltar]

AMEN Howlin, AMEN!

[Texas Deb]

I'm sure it does happen every day to people who are dying where family members agree on letting the person die.

This case is different. Terri was NOT dying.

She had family members who wanted to care for her and they should have been allowed to care for their daughter.

It's just not right, but then I realize some people will never see this the way I do.

My opinion in regard to this case will not change, no matter how people try to justify the way Terri died. And my opinion has nothing to do with whatever the autopsy said or did not say because my opinion has not been based on her condition or how she got in her condition. It's based on the rights of a family member to care for a loved one, no matter what condition that loved one is in, and I hope laws are changed to allow family members to care for severely disabled loved ones if they want to care for them. To not allow loved ones to do this is just not right - period.

[Howlin]

Because it is the husband or immediate family who normaly decides what happens in a situation like this.

Haven't you heard? This "branch" of the conservative part of the GOP believes in the government in your BEDROOM, HOSPITAL ROOM, and FUNERAL HOME.

[yellowdoghunter]

I will assume you have never had one of your children murdered?

[BlackRain]

It will be interesting to see how the Schivo family will defend their assertions that Terry was responsive to the ballon and other props when Terry was BLIND.

He also said she was blind, because the "vision centers of her brain were dead."

Thogmartin said that Schiavo's brain was about half of its expected size when she died 13 days after her feeding tube was removed.

"The brain weighed 615 grams, roughly half of the expected weight of a human brain," he said. "This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons."

[Texas Songwriter]

Was that due to trauma? I thought the ME said this is probably the result of hypokalemia secondary to bulhemia, secondary to a desire to loose weight? If trauma was involved here Thonmartin needs to discuss it thoroughly.

[jwalsh07]

When you summarily dismiss every OFFICIAL report, you're calling them liars involved in a conspiracy to cover up.

And when you dismiss the ME's findings in favor of your opinion, what does that say?

[8mmMauser]

Yup

[Miss Behave]

DEATH BY HEARSAY.

Anyone wanna challenge that? Come on. Anyone? Take your best shot.

[Howlin]

Speaking of the devil......

I see you still don't have the GUTS to call me the devil to my face.

You are such a petty little person.

[Yaelle]

I have not read this thread. I am just popping in here because I just heard the "news" on the radio that her autopsy did not show anything to contradict that she was in a vegetative state - um, HELLOOO? How could an AUTOPSY show that she could respond to her loved ones??? How could an autopsy show that she could have learned to eat soft foods and drink from a cup if held to her lips??? They killed her because she couldn't raise a cup to her lips, for the love of G-d.

The next thing the news said was that this shows she never would have recovered. OH? So we starve people who won't?? I remember in school when we studied the nomads, and how when someone was ill, they would just leave that person behind and move the caravans on, because they just could not care for the sick. How cruel and horrible I thought that was. And now we are doing the same thing. If you can't recover, well, then we will starve you! I feel sorry for all the people with severe illnesses like cancer, AIDS, Alzheimers, all the people who can't feed themselves any more. They all deserve to be slowly killed over a period of two weeks because they won't get better. What kind of world is that????

OK, I've vented. But this is really a sickening precedent.

[mountaineer]

There are tons of people who joined FR because of Terri.

And "tons" more who have left because of the irrational and slanderous behavior exhibited here by those who claimed to speak for her.

[floriduh voter]

Line crossed. Terri was a ward of the state and Judge Greer was supposed to act like a guardianship judge, not a probate judge. Greer violated numerous laws and so did Michael Schiavo but HINO got a pass.

Beyond that, here's the line that was crossed: Judge Greer is the first Judge to write a Court Order mandating that a disabled American be starved and dehydrated. He signed a death warrant for a ward of the state for her estranged husband. There's the line that was crossed.

[faloi]

Don't think that'll stop conspiracy theorists... After all, Michael is a nurse and presumably would be able to get access to syringes. Getting insulin could also be relatively easy, he'd just have to get it from the hospital.

Besides, aren't there "clean needle" programs in some arease to try to stem the spread of disease among drug users?

Again, just pointing out how it could go.

[Howlin]

I hate it when that happens! :-)

[Bones75]

"And I guess she wasn't actually following that balloon with her eyes "

You guess right, because she was not. No matter how much you wish she was, she was not. Sad, yes, but true.