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To: FreeReign; Eaker
Of course not FreeReign and no one on this forum defends illegal immigration or having weak borders. I am totally against illegal immigration, illegal immigrants who comes here to live on welfare and suck our money for free and I am for very strong border controls. And so are all the people who are accused constantly of being OBL (Open Borders Lobby).

As I stated before what is really annoying me off is the savage attack on President Bush and the GOP regarding the immigration issue. As you have seen in many other posts and thread the President has been called a traitor, a puppet in Vincent Fox hands, he sold our sovereignty to Mexico, the Mexican government control our governement because Bush betrayed us, Bush is the first Mexican President and on and on and on. In some threads you cannot tell if your are on Free Republic or DU because of the Bush Bashing, it is just incredible.

The President has a lot of enemies inside and outside. he is fighting the liberals and their media whores, and fighting terrorists and terrorist regimes. I do not think it is constructive at all that we go after him like he is Benedict Arnold.

We should engage on constructive criticism but not in Bash Bush feast. We can discuss how we can strengthen the borders, what shall we do with the 10 million illegal immigrants who are already here, etc... But you do not see this when you go to immigration threads you see the most brutal attacks on the President the Republican Party. Even worse on many other threads that are not even related to immigration are becoming into attacks against the President and the Republicans. The negativity and doom and gloom has reached unprecenfented levels ion this forum. All what you hear is everything is going bad, the economy is bad, Bush sold us to the Chinese to enrich his friends, Bush gave our sovereignty to the UN, etc.... Every small bump in the conservative or Republican agenda is turning into absolute disaster. I do not know how some of these guys can function in the society with such gloomy and negative attitude.

616 posted on 04/27/2005 6:29:55 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: jveritas; Travis McGee
Of course not FreeReign and no one on this forum defends illegal immigration or having weak borders.

Maybe not you, but others damn sure do.

How do you expect us to discuss the immigration disaster without discussing President Bush's participation in the negative?

Below is Mexico's policy:



What is wrong with Bush simply adopting this as our policy?

617 posted on 04/27/2005 6:44:53 PM PDT by Eaker (America, where the scepters of kings are broken up for kindling.)
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To: jveritas
RE: "I do not know how some of these guys ["Bush/Republican Party bashers"] can function in the society with such gloomy and negative attitude."

We done it before, I tell ya. We got Ronald Reagan for president as a bonus!

The Rockefeller Republicans tried to shoot down the modern conservative movement with the same "hawkers of hate" silly invective. We gave it back to them, those liberal "com-symps."

Like it or not it's what passes for debate.

The Party survived. Grew stronger with real conservatives in charge (for awhile). Now neo Rockefeller Republicans are back in charge; i.e., internationalist, business first and liberal domestic policies.

If Nelson had been president on 9/11 he too would have went after 'em all. He would have likely been inclined to overlook the French and German shenanigans and got them aboard a U.N. sponsored liberation of Iraq. He had the internationalist credentials to do that.

President Bush did not. President Bush did the right thing by acting without Old Europe. I back him to the max, "over there;" it's here I worry about.

Let the debate continue! It's what we Americans do -- but in the old days we mixed in a little substance with the invective. We can do it again.

675 posted on 04/28/2005 10:29:05 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: jveritas
RE: "I am totally against illegal immigration. . . ."

I for one always knew that you were. Those were some good comments BTW that few could argue with.

IMO, the issue is what to do. Follow the President or offer alternative solutions. We can continue debating that issue when we mix in some ideas along with the invective.

I personally do not want any plan that will lead to anything like Mexican or Indian or Irish or whatever "economic diaspora" where there is a World Migration Organization (WMO) that functions for migrant labor the way the WTO functions for free trade.

And, Mexico specific, I am sick of the corrupt government of Mexico meddling in our internal affairs at all levels of business and government. I want the Bush Administration to put an end to it.

676 posted on 04/28/2005 10:45:11 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: jveritas

You could learn something from post 592.

In this country, we have the freedom to hold and express complex views, something that probably does not exist in your country of origin. We are a nation of principles, not of persons. Worshipping any elected official could prove fatal to our freedom. Relax and enjoy the complexity.


685 posted on 04/28/2005 1:21:01 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Extra omnea!)
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