We know this, but the few which continuously quote from Civil War 'History Invented' by Tommy Delorenzo know as well, but don't care :)
And that is suppose to make some difference?
What you guys will never get is that your ancestors were fighting on the wrong side.
No one invaded anyone, the Southern states that seceded were in violation of the laws of the Constitution and the laws were being enforced.
"No one invaded anyone, the Southern states that seceded were in violation of the laws of the Constitution and the laws were being enforced."
Common myth. However, show me where it is stated that States may not vote on what to do with their own states. Show me where it doesn't say "all powers not regulated by the federal government are to be left to the individual states"
Fact is, seccession was brought before congress. The memebers of congress VOTED on it. Several states voted to leave.
Had it been "against the Constitution" the judges in appointment would have not allowed the vote in the first place.
"What you guys will never get is that your ancestors were fighting on the wrong side."
Power of the States is NOT "the wrong side." It is a check against rampant federal government. Which, by the way, is the whole problem we are having with activist judges and national government.
Oh, and the difference it was supposed to make was this: The Union did NOT go into the Civil War intent on freeing slaves. They went in with intent to punish the Confederates.
Lincoln made it ABUNDANTLY clear that he had no intention of stopping slavery in the South (and parts of the North). THEN the war broke out. Abolishing slavery was meant as an economic "whose-your-daddy" rather than a "this is a great injustice that must be fixed!"
The intention in the actions makes all the difference.
By the way, what law in the Constitution states that any State or person does not have the right to secede? You can't answer that because there ISN'T ONE!
I have thought things out seriously and in conclusion have come to the realization that you're just like the rest of the no brain Yankees who think that "Honest(?)" Abe was the saviour of the nation and what he did was greatest for liberty. You haven't a clue as to what the Founders' really intended and think that when the Constitution was ratified the States were giving up their sovereignty and been voluntarily sucked into this black void known as America. But then what proves your theory is full of sh*t is the words of James Madison himself upon the adoption of the Constitution. He said " This Constitution is NOT a NATIONAL document, rather it IS a federal document." Once more for your edification, Federal means SHARED POWER!
The Founders' knew that the preponderance of power was to lie with the State governments as it was the State Governments who ran interference with Britain's central monarchical government during the despotic years leading up to the American Revolution. They knew that the State governments would better protect their own Peoples' interests and rights. Thus there was to be a check on the power of the central goverment. And at that time it was viewed that the States (i.e. The People) had the right to nullify any legislation from the federal government deemed tyrannical or limiting the liberty of the People (Read the Virginia and Kentucky resolutions). Yes the Founders' wanted to form a more perfect Union, however they put the Bill of Rights into the Constitution because they knew that Public SERVANTS can become corrupted by power, especially those in the central government. And they knew and firmly believed that the absolute seat of power was the People themselves. So the 9th and 10 amendments were added and further strengthened by State constitutions which stated "Whenever government power shall become despotic or abusive, the States' i.e. The PEOPLE can throw off the yoke of tyranny by resuming those powers delegated to that government." It was viewed as a right, not something the government gives through its stingyness, but rather something (if you're a liberal you'll hate this) that GOD gave to People and that it was an inalienable right! Now I know you're going to say something stupid like "No its only Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." But go back a few words in that line of the Declaration and you'll find that it says - AMONG THESE meaning that there were more GOD given rights than just those three! So your putrid argument that the Southern States were wrong is in error. They fought for their God given rights as stated in the 9th and 10th Amendment, but were denied those rights by the Federal Government.
No knees jerking here, just stating facts to someone with the brilliance of a 4 watt bulb.
By the way, what law in the Constitution states that any State or person does not have the right to secede? You can't answer that because there ISN'T ONE!
I have thought things out seriously and in conclusion have come to the realization that you're just like the rest of the no brain Yankees who think that "Honest(?)" Abe was the saviour of the nation and what he did was greatest for liberty. You haven't a clue as to what the Founders' really intended and think that when the Constitution was ratified the States were giving up their sovereignty and been voluntarily sucked into this black void known as America. But then what proves your theory is full of sh*t is the words of James Madison himself upon the adoption of the Constitution. He said " This Constitution is NOT a NATIONAL document, rather it IS a federal document." Once more for your edification, Federal means SHARED POWER!
The Founders' knew that the preponderance of power was to lie with the State governments as it was the State Governments who ran interference with Britain's central monarchical government during the despotic years leading up to the American Revolution. They knew that the State governments would better protect their own Peoples' interests and rights. Thus there was to be a check on the power of the central goverment. And at that time it was viewed that the States (i.e. The People) had the right to nullify any legislation from the federal government deemed tyrannical or limiting the liberty of the People (Read the Virginia and Kentucky resolutions). Yes the Founders' wanted to form a more perfect Union, however they put the Bill of Rights into the Constitution because they knew that Public SERVANTS can become corrupted by power, especially those in the central government. And they knew and firmly believed that the absolute seat of power was the People themselves. So the 9th and 10 amendments were added and further strengthened by State constitutions which stated "Whenever government power shall become despotic or abusive, the States' i.e. The PEOPLE can throw off the yoke of tyranny by resuming those powers delegated to that government." It was viewed as a right, not something the government gives through its stingyness, but rather something (if you're a liberal you'll hate this) that GOD gave to People and that it was an inalienable right! Now I know you're going to say something stupid like "No its only Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." But go back a few words in that line of the Declaration and you'll find that it says - AMONG THESE meaning that there were more GOD given rights than just those three! So your putrid argument that the Southern States were wrong is in error. They fought for their God given rights as stated in the 9th and 10th Amendment, but were denied those rights by the Federal Government.
No knees jerking here, just stating facts to someone with the brilliance of a 4 watt bulb. And you should change your screen name as your postings are nothing like what the Declaration espouses, you know ...
"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
We know this, but the few which continuously quote from Civil War 'History Invented' by Tommy Delorenzo know as well, but don't care :)