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To: stand watie
"in point of fact, FREE blacks RUSHED to CSA recruiting stations to enlist as early as Mar 1861."

Once again you and other neo-confederates throw out goofy statements in order to some how legitimize the pro-slavery 'Confederacy'.

Would you have solid documented facts to back up your claim that 'free blacks' in the South 'rushed' to sign up to fight for the very people keeping as a 4rd class entity in plantation society?

Were are the 'real' historical accounts showing 'Confederate' blacks leading charges, fighting hand-to-hand combat or even shooting at Union forces?

Were blacks in the South rushing to join the pro-slavery Confederates they same way they signed up to fight to free the slaves in the South, as did the the heroic 54th Massachusetts and some 180.000 other black troops serving willingly in the Union Army & Naval forces?

"They were never mustered into the Confederate Army," said Mr. Hollandsworth an Associate Provost at the University of Southern Mississippi in Hattiesburg.

"The Confederate authorities never intended to use black troops for any mission of real importance," Hollandsworth wrote. "If the Native Guards were good for anything, it was for public display; free blacks fighting for Southern rights made good copy for the newspapers."

George Ewert, director of the Museum of Mobile 'Alabama' stated . "Because of their race they were not allowed to enlist as regular soldiers," Ewert said. "They acted as part of the home guard."

During the early days of the Civil War in Mobile, slaves were ordered to build the earthworks used to protect Mobile to protect their slave masters.

Let us please try and remain in the real historical world when discussing the Civil War. Free blacks and slaves were forced to worked in non-military ways: They mostly took care of horses and equipment, cooked meals, hauled supplies, washed clothes and carried the wounded and dead from the battlefields. They graded roads, constructed railroads, drove supply wagons, and labored in iron foundries and munitions industries, knowing if they refused they were as good as dead and you know it!

Fighting in Union Blue against the slaves states of the Confederates

Researchers at the Alabama Department of Archives and History ran across a transcription of a letter regarding an actual regiment of free blacks established by a man in the Prattville area in early 1861, before the war started, states Bob Bradley, the chief curator. But researchers do not know what happened to that particular unit – whether it remained with the Confederacy or switched to the Union side.

There was only one flag which offered to stop slavery.


1,592 posted on 05/23/2005 6:16:52 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never, ever 'free'.)
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To: M. Espinola
There was only one flag which offered to stop slavery.

Now you're talkin'! Ships flying the UNION flag sailed to Africa to purchase slaves and brought them here. Lincoln is on record as stating he had no INTENTION nor legal right to end slavery.

Jefferson Davis, on the other hand, vetoed a bill allowing the importaion of slaves, and the Confederate Congress passed a law that would have required Union governors to receive captured blacks back as FREEMEN.

1,597 posted on 05/23/2005 8:20:05 PM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: M. Espinola
Were are the 'real' historical accounts showing 'Confederate' blacks leading charges, fighting hand-to-hand combat or even shooting at Union forces?

See the Official Records, Blacks in Blue and Grey, also Dr. Blackerby's book among others. I guess I'll have to post the story about Uncle Pomp.

1,599 posted on 05/23/2005 8:28:32 PM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: M. Espinola
don't you WISH you were correct, rather than UNeducated in the TRUE HISTORY of the WBTS???

have you read BLACKS IN BLUE & GRAY???

no? i thought NOT.

SMART FReepers are rotflol AT you & your IGNORANCE of the TRUTH about the WBTS.

you seem to be an INTENTIONAL spreader of self-serving damnyankee PROPAGANDA or just IGNORANT of the TRUTH about the WBTS & a constant drinker of the damnyankee, SOCIALIST,hate-filled, REVISIONIST's kool-aide.

fwiw, there are about a dozen well-regarded/peer-reviewed books on Confederate BLACK soldiers/sailors/ marines. surely your local public library has at LEAST one of them available to you.

free dixie,sw

1,607 posted on 05/24/2005 8:32:42 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola
posting NONSENSE & INTENTIONAL LIES by associate provost hollandsworth does you NO CREDIT.

mr. hollandsworth, despite the school at which he "works" (PROPAGANDIZES students is REALLY what he does.),is a RADICAL REVISIONIST "of note".

BUT in a way he is absolutely correct. the BLACK FREEMEN, who fought for dixie FREEDOM, were NOT (in the main) REGULARS. the CSA had a VERY FEW regulars in the Provisional Army of the CSA (PACSA).

the number of REGULARS in the total CSA armed forces structure was about FIVE THOUSAND (5,000) persons, out of a TOTAL "foxhole strength" of 1.1- 1.3 MILLION members.

most of those "REGULARS" were HIGH-ranking commissioned officers, about HALF the enlisted members of the CS Marines & a few highly qualified TECHNICIANS.

everybody else was a:

1. reservist,

2. member of a STATE unit (GENERAL ROBERT E. LEE, for ONE example.),

3. member of a PRIVATE MILITIA

4. WAR-time volunteer

5. PARTISAN RANGER

6.OR a home guardsman

FACT!

fyi,mr. hollandsworth KNOWS those inconvienient FACTS. thus i must presume that he is PROPAGANDIZING for the consumption of the NAIVE,the terminally IGNORANT,the PC, the STUPID and/or the CLUELESS. nothing more,nothing less.

for another INCONVIENIENT FACT, the REVISIONISTS frequently say that there were FEW/NO slaves in the Confederate forces. the "EXPERTS" know that that statement is "literally" TRUE, as far as it goes BUT they ALSO KNOW that SLAVES could NOT serve in the forces as slaves COULD NOT take the oath of enlistment. so their statement is KNOWINGLY FALSE & INTENDED TO DECEIVE!

free dixie,sw

1,612 posted on 05/24/2005 9:46:37 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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