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To: mac_truck; fortheDeclaration; Chef Dajuan; x; Shooter 2.5; Heyworth; Non-Sequitur; Ditto; ...
I would like to add a few more items in this discussion. A number of us have noticed whenever the term 'abolitionists' happens to be mentioned the hard-core 'neo-confederates' immediately & viciously attack, slander and ridicule all those involved in the the abolition of slavery movement. Now what does that make them?

"Mr. Breckinridge is the pro-Slavery candidate for the Presidency, and is supported by the slave-code, slave-trade, and 'Disunion party', as the only man prepared to do 'justice' to the South upon the 'Negro question'.

Republican Party Platform (1860)

NINTH. "That we brand the recent reöpening of the African slave trade, under the cover of our national flag, aided by perversions of judicial power, as a crime against humanity, and a burning shame to our country and age, and we call upon congress to take prompt and efficient measures for the total and final suppression of that execrable traffic."

Regarding the so-called election of 'Confederate President' Jefferson Davis; as all of us know there was never a traditional popular election and nobody has been able to step forth a 1861 popular election vote tally.

At least Lincoln was elected in a national election just as Grant, Harrison, LBJ, JFK, Nixon, & the rest of the American Presidents were, not hand picked by a pack of soar losers representing the South's cotton empire which only functioned because of slave labour.

One of the more well known high priests of the neo-Confederate movement is Thomas J. DiLorenzo, a promoter of modern secessionist, an arch promoter of the Southern platform in 1860, and chief propagandist for 'neo-Confederism' DeLorenzo and his type deliberately ignore the facts that the South illegally succeeded over the issue of maintaining and expanding slavery.

Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union: "In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation."

South Carolina Secession

President Lincoln justifiably reacted to a pro-slaver insurrectionists triggering the Civil War. Liberating the slaves came some two years later, but (selected) Jefferson Davis & (selected) VP arch-bigot Stephens fought to preserve slavery, thus preserving their corporate bottom line in the rebelling Cotton Empire.

The secessionists pro-slavery Confederate leaders were not totally defeated in 1865, for in 1877, after federal troops were mistakenly withdrawn from former slave states, a new form of 'neo-slavery' began with the 100 years of the South's Jim Crow 'legal' discrimination against fellow Americans enforced by criminal terrorists like the KKK.

Example-1931: "I experienced my first involvement with racism in the business when we played Jacksonville Florida in 1931. I knew there was segregation in southern theaters, but was not fully aware of the pain that it caused until then.

"After the show I decided to walk. As I came to the corner, I saw a black man of about eighty coming toward me. When he reached me, he jumped out into the gutter. Thinking he'd seen a snake or something frightening, I jumped into the road with him,where upon he jumped back onto the sidewalk and so did I. We did this dance routine about three times before I grabbed his arm and said, "What the Hell is going on Pop? Why are you leaping up and back like a jumping bean?" Frightened, he answered, "Sir, in this city a black man musn't walk on the same side of the street with a white man." "Mister," I told him, "this is not my city, but it's my country and I can walk with any man I choose to."

"I put my arm about his shoulder and forced him to walk with me around the corner. He said. "Man, you seem nice, but you're liable to get us killed." I tried to clam him, and then let him go on his way and continued walking.

"When I went back to the theater the manager stated, "We don't want any N*****lovers in our theater or in our city, so get movin' before you get in big trouble!"

"We left Jacksonville in disbelief and headed back to New York."

Page 53 & 54 'Moe Howard & The 3 Stooges', by Moe 'Horwitz' Howard, 1977, Citadel Press, Secaucus, New Jersey.

One side note, if Moe & and the boys for example, had been in Germany a few years later, Jews, under Nazi German law, were forbidden to walk on the sidewalk if a German were passing. The similarities between Jim Crow 'laws' and Nazi 'laws' pertaining to Jews & others are horrifyingly similar in numerous respects. States of terror for victims of the 'law'. German law resulted in ovens, Jim Crow law, mob lynchings with 'police' participation.

Moe and the other Stooges would have been murdered for simply being born Jewish. In the Jim Crow South, a man could be murdered for simply being black or vocing objections about 'legal' Southern segrigation.

"If real Americans living in the South in 1860-1861 questioned the decision by a few to rebel against their country, they were likewise threatened, ridiculed, and coerced."

The very same mob rule exists today in areas under control by radical Islamic terrorists.

Coward terrorist thugs hid behind masks

"Today, they hide behind loads of BS and screen names, but they are the same punks."

One in particular still gets his demented kicks from calling some Americans 'Negroes'. You know who you are. There's always an open invitation to come up to the real world anytime, and spout off your neo-KKK segregationist crap, anytime, slug.

-Never Again!-

1,435 posted on 05/17/2005 11:47:22 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free.)
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To: M. Espinola
Once again, right on point and exactly right.

Excellent post, and every bit of it so irrefutably true.

1,436 posted on 05/18/2005 12:34:00 AM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("A man's character is his fate." - Heraclitus)
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To: M. Espinola

Regarding the repeated lie that Lincoln agreed to a Constitutional amendment to make slavery permenant in the South

[c. January 19-21, 1861]


I learn from a gentleman who had an interview with Mr. Lincoln, at Springfield, within the past week that the latter in discussing the existing state of affairs expressed himself as follows:

---``I will suffer death before I will consent or will advise my friends to consent to any concession or compromise which looks like






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buying the privilege of taking possession of this government to which we have a constitutional right; because, whatever I might think of the merit of the various propositions before Congress, I should regard any concession in the face of menace the destruction of the government itself, and a consent on all hands that our system shall be brought down to a level with the existing disorganized state of affairs in Mexico. But this thing will hereafter be as it is now, in the hands of the people; and if they desire to call a Convention to remove any grievances complained of, or to give new guarantees for the permanence of vested rights, it is not mine to oppose.''

To James T. Hale [1]
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Confidential. Hon. J. T. Hale Springfield, Ill. Jan'y. 11th 1861.


My dear Sir---Yours of the 6th is received. I answer it only because I fear you would misconstrue my silence. What is our present condition? We have just carried an election on principles fairly stated to the people. Now we are told in advance, the government shall be broken up, unless we surrender to those we have beaten, before we take the offices. In this they are either attempting to play upon us, or they are in dead earnest. Either way, if we surrender, it is the end of us, and of the government. They will repeat the experiment upon us ad libitum. A year will not pass, till we shall have to take Cuba as a condition upon which they will stay in the Union. They now have the Constitution, under which we have lived over seventy years, and acts of Congress of their own framing, with no prospect of their being changed; and they can never have a more shallow pretext for breaking up the government, or extorting a compromise, than now. There is, in my judgment, but one compromise which would really settle the slavery question, and that would be a prohibition against acquiring any more territory. Yours very truly, A. LINCOLN.



Annotation

[1] Copy, DLC-RTL. James T. Hale, Republican congressman from Bellefonte, Pennsylvania, wrote January 6 as a member of a committee of congressmen from the border states, recommending an amendment to the Constitution denying the right of Congress to abolish slavery in the states, a joint resolution declaring that abolition could not take place in the District of Columbia without consent of Maryland and citizens of the District, an amendment of the fugitive slave law and that states repeal all personal liberty bills, and that the U.S. be divided at 36(deg) 30', all territories north of that line to be free and all those south of it to be free or slave as they chose (DLC-RTL).
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1,437 posted on 05/18/2005 12:35:23 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Gal.4:16)
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To: M. Espinola; All
this BILGE from m.eSPINola, poster of RACIST comment #645????

rotflmRao!

say, Mr SPIN, why don't you re-post # 645 for everyone TO SEE for themselves & JUDGE whether you are a RACIST or not???

you don't have the guts to do that, do you?

free dixie,sw

1,457 posted on 05/18/2005 8:34:09 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: M. Espinola

I think you owe me, and others on this board an apology, Espinola. You know that as far as I know, there are no racists in this group of posters. It is wrong for you to imply that, and even worse to imply that we are KKK hiding behind a computer. I have always tried to be civil with you, and think you have done me an injustice.


1,468 posted on 05/18/2005 12:03:24 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 (Sic Semper Tyrannis!)
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To: M. Espinola

Moe and the boys got even.

First in 1940's "You Nazty Spy" and again in 1942's "I'll Never Heil Again".

Moe's portrayal of Hitler, ("Moe Hailstone"), along with Curly's, ("Marshall Boring"), and Larry's, (Propaganda Minister Noballs"), are devastating and are among the funniest episodes they ever did.


1,564 posted on 05/20/2005 12:42:39 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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