Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
"Engagement"? This thread is a plea for disengagement!
"Civility?"
You mean like the post #9, which told me, quote, "go f*ck yourself"?
Is that the civility that you're talking about?
Evidence? Like the mountains of documentation pointing to foul play and judicial corruption? The evidence that a woman is being starved to death in the United States of America by order of the government? The Death-to-Terri crowd has been dogmatically ignoring evidence throughout this debate.
Reason? As in religiously adhering to the judgement of the "rule of law" even when it is eminently provable that not only was the law not followed in this case, but rather made up by the judge entirely based on his own discretion?
Logic? As in the logic that says starving someone to death is not the same as murdering them?
Clean your own house, first, and then maybe I'll take those arguments seriously.
I understand.
Will this Nazi cr@p never go away?
Good idea here. Thanks, 'Cut. : )
Escapee, # 298245 is slowly and stealthily working his way to the bridge, back to WPPFF.
This is an excellent, official time line of events, including links to other court decisions:
http://www.miami.edu/ethics2/schiavo/timeline.htm
This is the Wolfson Report in HTML format. He was one of four of Terri's guardian ad litems and both sides trusted him and liked him. It gives the most complete history regarding this matter, and I skipped right past the first few paragraphs of legalese to the history and read from there.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1370047/posts?page=1264#1264
I will continue to speak the truth that they are putting their stamp of approval on murder, and let them battle it out with their own consciences, if they have any.
I've got a cooler full.
So you didn't read the thread.
"[W]e are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly."
Personally, I find rationale discourse to be more informative than slogan-shouting. Perhaps you find the latter more informative, but I really can't imagine what information you are deriving.
A breath of fresh air blows through.
So many of us truly feel sorrow for the Schindlers. I think these people have been used and exploited beyond words. To assume that because lots of good and respectful Republicans don't want to impeach Jeb (or his brother) makes us murderers at heart is to misunderstand our views, utterly.
I think this case has been badly handled by the lawyers for the Schindlers- with more competent advice this would have played out differently. That's a simple observation- not a condemnation of the pro-life movement.
The very minute I read the Nazi refrain begin, I don't even read the rest of the post, article or editorial. Playing that game will lose more supporters- that comparison cannot be taken seriously and no one will be persuaded to reconsider their views by comparing them to a member of the Third Reich.
Some people read things through very selective lenses.
Bravo!
U R right.
Oh great, now there's censorship, too. "The Good Germans" is a perfectly accurate description, and getting truer all the time.
I knew I could count on you! Want a pretzel?
I'm here too. Found you here all by myself! Going to check my pings now. Rush is doing his usual thing. My only other option out here is Dennis Preager, or c-span. I'm stuck out here in our 'smoking lounge' until our cleaning lady is done. Going to go check on things on the boards.
Thanks to freeper RGSpincich for this find:
One of the nurses who has presented herself fraudulently:
Respectfully, and with great admiration.
Cheryl Ford RN
Fight4Terri@aol.com
There is no Registered Nurse in Florida named Cheryl Ford.
License lookup
And which was immediately pulled at my request.
You wanted a fight; you almost got one; and now you're whining.
I think anybody who claims to need a form of "witness protection" here should just go start their own site, and leave all of us who they claim are insane back here on FR.
Just another insane supporter of the right to life.
If analogies, metaphors, comparisons and other characterisations about that phenomena are troubling for you I will be sensitive to your pain and refrain from making any.
I will leave it to you to frame an appropriate Politically Correct characterisation for what it is to be a nation that finds that to be a legal, correct and unchangeable decision.
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