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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:

1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.

2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.

3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.

4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.

5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.

6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.

7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.

8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.

The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.

We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.

We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.

If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.

We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.

Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.

Let the discussion begin!

Signed,

The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antifreepers; antimilitary; bloodlust; cary; clownposse; du; eugenics; euthanasia; forcedexit; moles; murder; nazi; singer; trolls; wildturkeys; wppff; zot
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To: lugsoul; hobbes1

Well done! I had to back off the legal-beagle discussion- it was getting above my pay grade:) But I'm still following the discussion between you two- very informative reading and thanks to both for being grown-ups!


621 posted on 03/29/2005 1:08:41 PM PST by SE Mom (Debate, not hate.)
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To: verity
"Can't find one with an accurate spell check. lol"

Boy, isn't that the truth. The one I tried produced "hooked on phonics " like script, and looked just a wee bit better than mine.

You can always tell when I get rattled because eye spel lyke thiss. ;)

622 posted on 03/29/2005 1:08:55 PM PST by G.Mason (If you get upset when I ignore you, my plan is working)
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To: highlandbreeze

You see, the point is, that dollar you win big on, well, that'll be mine.... muahahahaha


623 posted on 03/29/2005 1:09:50 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: thoughtomator
I don't think food and water can legitimately be considered extraordinary means, even if they must be administered through a feeding tube.

As I say, many people disagree with you and say so on their living wills. If one of these people became unable to swallow and you were their physician, you would impose surgery on them, make an incision in their stomach and insert a feeding tube?

624 posted on 03/29/2005 1:10:06 PM PST by Randjuke
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To: thoughtomator

Do you know whether the Schindlers asserted such a constitutional challenge to the applicable law?


625 posted on 03/29/2005 1:10:21 PM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: thoughtomator
I don't think food and water can legitimately be considered extraordinary means, even if they must be administered through a feeding tube.

Is it your contention, then, that a feeding tube could/should be inserted against the patients' will?

626 posted on 03/29/2005 1:10:50 PM PST by malakhi
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To: thoughtomator
I think ultimately the feeding tube-as-extraordinary-medical-intervention concept will prove to be insufficient to defend the right to life, becoming otherwise an inevitable license to starve patients to death.

It's already happened. It's been happening for a while now. This case was about protecting the institutions that benefit from doing it. That's why "right-to-die" hired guns like Felos and Cranford were brought in.

We're a nation that starves its people to death, when we see fit. I wonder if the State Department included that tidbit in yesterday's human rights report. I'm guess they didn't.

627 posted on 03/29/2005 1:10:51 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Ghoul Power!)
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To: malakhi

I'll have to think that one over for a while. I don't like the idea of forced medical procedures any more than I like the idea of deliberately letting someone die.


628 posted on 03/29/2005 1:13:41 PM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: Long Cut
You just knew THIS was coming... It's the JOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSS!

Somebody please wake me up when this is over. And for anyone who comes along and tries to make me feel guilty because I can wake up, just save it, 'k? So can you. Do you feel guilty about it? No. Neither do I.

629 posted on 03/29/2005 1:15:27 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Pro-Terri - NOT anti-Bush.)
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To: MineralMan

I was chuckling when I responded. Like I said, run with it... it's all good.


630 posted on 03/29/2005 1:15:48 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Ghoul Power!)
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To: hobbes1
Getting this back to the topic of origin - judicial activism:

I've seen it urged - here, in Congressional pressers, by various pundits - that Congress created an implicit requirement for a stay while expressly shying away from creating an explicit requirement, and the the Courts were bound to honor that implicit requirement and violated the will of Congress by failing to do so.

I am at a complete loss as to how discerning and effecting the EXPLICIT intent of Congress, rather than an assumed implicit intent, constitutes "judicial activism." It seems far more plain that taking the course urged here would be a textbook example of "judicial activism."

631 posted on 03/29/2005 1:17:48 PM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: Indy Pendance

I have looked and looked and I can't find Randall Terry's comments the other day about how this case was "owed" them (the pro life movement) and some scary stuff comments about a theocracy.

I knew I should have saved it when I saw it.


632 posted on 03/29/2005 1:17:51 PM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Long Cut; MKM1960; All

News via the car radio said that Rev. Jerry Falwell
is hospitalized and on a ventilator. Any confirmation?

I recall that he was hospitalized last month for pneumonia.



633 posted on 03/29/2005 1:18:01 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: Indy Pendance

LOL! You mean that dollar that gets eaten by the machine.

Oops!


634 posted on 03/29/2005 1:18:09 PM PST by highlandbreeze
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To: Long Cut

Billy McKinney has commented on Terri?


635 posted on 03/29/2005 1:19:39 PM PST by lugsoul (Wild Turkey)
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To: Peach

Sorry sweetie, I'm not searching a 6,000 page post. maybe do a google search with freerepublic.com as the site.


636 posted on 03/29/2005 1:20:17 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: thoughtomator

There is another statute that allows people in PVS to be removed from life support, including feeding tubes. You don't get to pick and choose. You might not like that piece of legislation, but it is still part of the legal code of the state of Florida. I didn't vote on it or sign it, but it exists.

Once someone is legally ruled in PVS, and if their surrogate has proof or gets a ruling that this was their wishes, then under Florida law, they can have feeding tubes removed.

You can't pretend this isn't part of the legal code. It's disengenious and hurts your credibility as an advocate for the handicapped.

If you want to be a more effective advocate, you should be arguing how it is bad legislation, why it shouldn't be a piece of legislation, and how it can be abused, rather than taking a stance that it is illegal to do something that it is legal to do.



637 posted on 03/29/2005 1:20:53 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: highlandbreeze

Have a nice time. I'll bet the weather is fabulous.


638 posted on 03/29/2005 1:21:55 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: onyx

His spokesperson has released information that he is in the hospital. MSNBC reported he had a massive heart attack.


639 posted on 03/29/2005 1:22:18 PM PST by MKM1960 (Now I know how Tom Daschle felt: "I'm saddened, deeply saddened")
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To: highlandbreeze

Tell your hubby thanks for his service, and thank you for your support.


640 posted on 03/29/2005 1:22:41 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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