Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
Gawd. Give it up with the FReepathon if this continues.
You know, during my many years of working in nursing homes, I have been around many, many of the residents in their last days, hours, and minutes of life...and often, when we know that someone is very close to death, and try to provide those things for the dying resident, things that we know they would have liked...we have done this for them when they were in better health, and we continue it for them, even in their last hours and minutes...it may be music, it might be a particular item, they were fond of, it might be sitting at their bedside and reading to them, if that is what we provided for them when they were in better health...
And when they do die, we continue to treat them with respect...we completely change their bedding, and their hospital gowns or what they prefered to wear...we wash them, we comb their hair, we respect them even in death...we cover them up only to their neck, we pull the curtain around their beds, we shine a dim light above their bed, and we say our goodbyes to them...and its out of love and respect, not out of some morbid sense of anything...
And the whole while we are doing these things for the deceased we do it with great love and respect...I continue to speak to the deceased, telling them what I am doing, as I had always done while they were alive...a fellow employee asked me why I still was speaking to them, because now they were deceased and they could not hear me...I dont know why..I just felt that a little piece of them might be near me, perhaps their spirit was still lingering near me...
I find it sad, that some others chose to feel that music being played for Terri in her last hours, was akin to playing music to those souls being led to the gas chambers, to the sound of music...
I prefer to think of Terri having music, in the same way in which I have provided music to those souls in my charge...
Well, I love her accent...
I was born & raised an Okie.
I prefer to think of Terri having music, in the same way in which I have provided music to those souls in my charge...
Five years ago, a hospice helped our family with my terminally ill grandmother. We played soft music in her room 24/7. I'd like to think she liked it.
ROTFLOL!
Where's Prince Harry when he's needed?
Right. "Let's get rid of all the Pubbies who have disappointed us"...and let the loving leftist libs back in.
That will really help, won't it.
/sarcasm
Yes! But it's only brown and tan - would brown and tan be the desert camo colors of the patch? Are any of them in Iraq?
Thanks - I really appreciate this, and so does my daughter.
***I've been watching FoodNetwork for at least ten days and CourtTV***
Those 30 minute meals come in handy, don't they?
Rachel Ray's 30 minute meals
went to an hour.
I mute Rachael Ray. Her voice peels the paint in my kitchen.
Any of the desert versions would simply be brown and tan, no matter what the colors of the patch normally are. And 2nd ID does have guys in Iraq, last I heard.
Please don't misunderstand what I'd said about Felos and the music. I think having the music is a fine idea. It was just the way Felos speaks, and the way it seemed to me he was trying to make it sound how lovely it all was. It just creeped me out.
We played my mother-in-law's favorite music in her room for her when she was dying, and I have no doubt that she enjoyed it.
Thanks very much!
If i die in a hospice, or hospital, i hope i am lucky enough to have aa nurse as kind as you.
Per CNN, Pope John Paul II has been given the Last Rites of the Roman Catholic Church.
I think she's cute, but my wife can't stand her.
I was wondering how the Terri angle would get worked into this. See reply #6.
I really shouldn't have posted that. I'm sure it will be cited in the future as evidence of my affinity for all things Nazi.
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