Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:
1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.
2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.
3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.
4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.
5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.
6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.
7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.
8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.
The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.
We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.
We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.
If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.
We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.
Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.
Let the discussion begin!
Signed,
The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.
That is all very well and good if you can accept 2 things.
One, that the state of Medical Arts has not advanced in 10 years.
It has, but the CT scan from years back is still good today (as you'll see by the autopsy). The MRI and PET scans weren't needed because the CT scan showed the massive brain damage. The MRI couldn't have been done anyway, due to the presence of the brain implant. Horrible evil Michael Schiavo took Terri to California to have the implant installed back when he thought there was still hope that therapy would help her. It didn't. And no other medical advance in the last 10 years would have helped her either.
Two, that it's ok for a couple of Judges to thumb their nose at the US Congress.
They didn't.
"No group is totally immune from feeding frenzy, especially when people keep putting oil on the fire....and some people here at FR seem to have been drenched in that oil."
Agreed. Well stated. Thank you.
KMA :~)
I haven't gotten to listen to Laura in a few weeks, and Beck is not on in my area. How did they differ from Hannity and Rush's takes on the issue?
The questions were ethical as opposed to legal questions:
For instance:
Is it ethical for a husband who has another woman to be making judgements for the wife?
(Florida law says it's legal. Ethical is another question.)
Is it ethical to withhold food and water from a PVS patient?
(Florida law says it's legal, if it would have been what the person would have chosen beforehand.)
Is it ethical to terminate life without written directions?
(Florida law says it's legal, if there are ways via witnesses, etc. for the judge to determine the patient's POV before the accident.)
The upset people feel, I am guessing, is a combination that Terri's death was unethical based on their POV (a view which I share); confusion over the scope of the private legislation Congress passed; feelings heightened with stories designed to demonize those in favor of Michael Schiavo's motives and to cast doubts on the legality of the court, the legal roller-coaster of the last few weeks, and a misunderstanding (I hope instead of intentional misconstruing!) of how the checks and balances in our system actually work.
It reminds me, in a sad way, of how my son when he was younger would get into all sorts of weird denials in his head about homework projects due.
What Michael Schiavo sought for Terri was in his legal rights as husband of record. What was done to Terri was perfectly legal in the state of Florida.
Nothing anyone can say will remove that fact. It was legal, was reviewed multiple times.
The law had been on the books for six years, I believe.
It's important to realize what is going on is really a battle between ethical points of views rather than facts. Every time someone uses bad or twisted data in favor of their ethical POV, they weaken the cause for that POV. And that's a shame, because the discussion is important.
But it will be lost in a sea of mud if people don't really look at what they are saying and its truthfulness.
A good analysis.
I like reading what was said before and after not just your answer.....
It like one giving scripture or tell one side to a story it is out of context and remains questionable!
retrokitten wrote:
Rarely in my non-FR life am I speechless, but I have no words for so many of these threads. I can't count the number of times that I start to reply and then hit the back button.
This isn't temporary.
It's been building since 2002. Get on the wrong side of the FReep herd, and
My tolerance for insult has been exceeded. I understand that I am not welcome here. Okey-dokey.
sw
Make that three.
Yeh....... THAT is DIRT!
The Weldon law said "may", not "must", conduct a de novo review.
It left the decision up to the Federal Courts.
The scope of the legislation Congress passed was clear, and explicit, and was ignored, not carried out Whittemores semantics notwithstanding.
That is both a Legal, and ethical question.
Can someone please ping the pinglist to this post? Thanks!
Hi Knitting.
How are you holding up?
Shane! Come back...don't go!!!! :~) This is our thread...sw
You need to start a thread with that POV.....very good.
More dirt on your part. At least you are consistent.
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