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To: WoofDog123

I've lived in California and Texas, and saw illegals crossing the border in person. In San Diego they have road warning signs showing illegals running (across the freeway).

Let's be honest, if the US Government really wanted to put a stop to it, it's a simple matter of hiring more guards or stationing some troops by the border. It'd only cost a fraction of our war on Iraq.

But the government is not only unwilling to commit the resources, it provides incentives for the illegals to cross over and give them green cards by lottery.

My theory is that the government is looking the other way because they don't think it's a serious problem. Since the US has a fairly stable birth rate, the government wants immigrants to increase its population. You might not like more people and more cars on the freeway, but the government sure likes more tax payers.


16 posted on 02/28/2005 3:03:44 PM PST by s_asher
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To: s_asher
but the government sure likes more tax payers.

That idea isn't quite true.

First, most illegals only pay sales tax on purchase. They don't pay income tax. They send billions of dollars (untaxed income) to Mexico.

Second, because of their 'situation', the rest of American taxpayers end up subsidizing their education, their social services, and their welfare (health services). This is more billions of dollars out of the American economy.

Every illegal, in sum total, ends up being a negative, economically. The ones who benefit are the illegals and the companies that employ them. The ones who lose are the American taxpayers.

But someday, a few will cross with some highly contageous third-world diseases and spread plague and contagion that will wipe out a significant portion of the un-immune, unsuspecting population. So, that wipes out your net gain of potentially new taxpayers.
29 posted on 02/28/2005 3:29:32 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: s_asher

Let's be honest, if the US Government really wanted to put a stop to it, it's a simple matter of hiring more guards or stationing some troops by the border.


I say let's put PITBULLS to good use!!


61 posted on 02/28/2005 5:09:01 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: s_asher

Interesting theory.

Like most modern countries, the birth rate is slowing down while the death rate is as well.

In parts of Europe, some countries are close to actually losing population.

As for world population projections, it doesn't look like anymore we will see the great overpopulation feared in the 70s, 80s, and even 90s.


70 posted on 02/28/2005 8:00:38 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: s_asher

"But the government is not only unwilling to commit the resources, it provides incentives for the illegals to cross over and give them green cards by lottery."

You might find this interesting.


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GREEN CARDS AND GANGS

Siskiyou County, California, Feb. 26, 2005

They come from Mexico for jobs by way of a document called a “green card”. Such immigrants are termed “legal permanent Residents” with many of the same rights as US citizens outlined here,

o To live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable (deportable) under the immigration law (section 237, Immigration and Nationality Act).
o To be employed in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing.
o To be protected by all of the laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions.
o To vote in local elections where United States Citizenship is not required. Click here for more details on voting.
Exceptions
o Some jobs will be limited to United States Citizens because of security concerns.
http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm


Today Siskiyou county Sheriff Rick Riggins and Captain Mike Murphy presented a slide show and details of Marijuana growing operations on federal forest land as a warning to residents of the dangers of happening across one of these farms. These operations are spearheaded by various Latino gangs, one being the powerful, well armed MS-13 gang that began in El Salvador. Sheriff Riggins stated that his biggest problem in combating this scourge is his office being labeled, "racist".

On Sept. 11, 2004, one such farm was busted by the Sheriff with help from BLM and the forest service netting thousands of plants and several Mexicans who either held green cards or were awol from the Mexican military and in this country illegally. These raids are no simple task as the terrain is nearly insurmountable and usually remote, however one growing operation was within 2 miles of the city limits of Etna, California. Resources are limited in such small counties, with little help from federal officials, even though this organized criminal enterprise has been going on in these mountains for many years. Homeland Security says such operations are not their concern.

The gangs are back this year getting ready for next falls harvest to be distributed across the US. Their supplies and equipment will be brought in from the cities and deliveries to replenish them are undertaken at night every few weeks. The farms are guarded at all times.

Slides of the “camps” complete with a “hooch” for living were shown. Huge pits are dug, one big enough for an SUV, for garbage and waste. The trees are cut or skinned to pile “moats” around the farms to camouflage them. Black irrigation pipe is buried for miles to get water to the plants. The environment on our national lands is being degraded by these operations, destroying habitat and watershed purity.

We saw the AK-47’s, axes, shovels, a . 22 rifle with the name “ Los Pleves” scratched on the stock. We saw notebooks of the growers with markings of MS-13 and a drawing of a Lexus that one “immigrant” intended to buy with the drug profits.

Most of the farms appear to be run by the same organizations mostly through the Mexican Mafia year after year. Though a few are busted, a substantive dent has not been made and they know they can operate here more safely and profitably than in Mexico and there is no worry of getting the product back into the states.

Across the border in Oregon, the story is the same. The Sheriffs of Jackson, Josephine and Klamath County work together to find the farms and arrest the perpetrators. All have been Mexican so far, most with green cards. These same gangs also brew Methanphetimine to finance their organized crime activities during off season.

We do not need yet another “guest worker” program to supply dangerous gangs with recruits. We need to find out why these people were ever allowed in this country in the first place and how to keep more of them out.

copyright 2/26/05 Siskiyou County, California TheTownCrier@gmail.com


80 posted on 03/01/2005 8:41:26 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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