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To: Former Military Chick
She has been on a feeding tube for over 15 years.

Actually, it's not been 15 years as she was eating by mouth but I'm not on my computer and don't have the info saved on this machine. Terri was put on a feeding tube for the convenience of the nurses. It was ordered by Michael Schiavo.

Those who wish to keep the feeding tube in says physical therapy might help.

If this is the case why didn't the courts issue that as a requirement years ago. It is unforgivable that anyone missed this.

The feeding tube is inserted only at mealtimes. The court has repeatedly failed Terri and I don't know why. Judge Greer being legally blind may have something to do with it as he can't read briefs. I guess they're read to him.

Oh, I know the state will, and the state will foot the bill.

Michael Schiavo put Terri on Medicaid sometime ago but he and his girlfriend of 10 years both drive Mercedes, hers is black and his is silver.

Now they say there is abuse and ask for 60 days. Why the hell did this not get reported long ago? Was it a ploy to get the extension? It is disturbing.

It was first reported 15 months after her "accident" and was investigated more recently but Judge Greer sealed it. That DCF investigator recommended pursuing the case but everything was sealed.

They are older. Should they win then who becomes the guardian?

Missed this one. Terri's brother and sister have stepped up to the plate and will care for her when and if necessary. They are both involved now.

I hope I haven't angered you. I only tried to give some answers.

216 posted on 02/26/2005 11:33:50 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: DJ MacWoW
"Actually, it's not been 15 years as she was eating by mouth but I'm not on my computer and don't have the info saved on this machine. Terri was put on a feeding tube for the convenience of the nurses. It was ordered by Michael Schiavo."

Where on Earth do you get your information?

It certainly has been 15 years that that Terri Schiavo has been fed exclusively through the feeding tube. The gastric feeding tube was place by a Dr. Pothen Jacob while Mrs Schiavo was in Humana Northside Hospital very shortly after her cardiac arrest. The idea that Michael Schiavo ordered it is a fiction. The tube was not placed for the convenience of the nurses, it was place so that Terri could receive sustenance.

Where do you get the idea that Terri was eating by mouth after her collapse? Aside from a non-verified anecdotal statement that one of her care givers fed her a small amount of jello and some sips of apple juice and orange juice, nowhere in the medical record does it indicate that Terri has eaten by mouth since the morning of her arrest.

Additionally, Terri has failed every swallow test given to her as is reported in the official court record.

"The feeding tube is inserted only at mealtimes. The court has repeatedly failed Terri and I don't know why. Judge Greer being legally blind may have something to do with it as he can't read briefs. I guess they're read to him."

The feeding tube is surgically implanted and is a permanent fixture. It is not "inserted only at mealtimes".

Judge Greer is "legally blind". This doesn't mean that he can't see. He he can read with prescribed glasses but he cannot drive. Despite his visual handicap, he is a well respected and admired Judge of the Sixth Circuit Court.

243 posted on 02/27/2005 12:22:23 AM PST by daylate-dollarshort (s/v Musashi I)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I promise I'm not picking on you, You've been great. It isn't your fault you've been a victim of a huge misinformation campaign...(Dr. Hammesfher as leader of the pack.)

But for the record...

"Actually, it's not been 15 years as she was eating by mouth but I'm not on my computer and don't have the info saved on this machine. Terri was put on a feeding tube for the convenience of the nurses. It was ordered by Michael Schiavo."

I know you read that here all the time, but it is absolutely false - as are a zillion other rumors spread as fact.

Terri's tube was put in at the advice of doctors before she even left the first hospital (Humana), because after her collapse, she has *never* had the ability to swallow food on her own without choking. Tasting and swallowing a bit of jello is not the same as trying to eat.

She had 3 of the highest quality (barium) swallow tests done in 1990, 91, and 92, which showed she could not swallow without choking, even though she could swallow her saliva - it's a reflex like you do in your sleep. Hammesfher's saying, "If she can swallow saliva, she can be fed and swallow on her own" is... an irresponsible thing to say, at best.

(I do think they should give her another shot at therapy and re-test her now, though.)

Regarding Judge Greer... He could be blind as a bat, but the 2nd district court of appeals went out of their way and actually re-viewed the videos, the testimony and other evidence of the 6 doctor trial and said they found the same as he did.

I've seen nothing but guesses that says she is on Medicaid. He did get 300k award for his loss, but Terri's $ is in a trust fund and there is still some left.
245 posted on 02/27/2005 12:23:35 AM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: DJ MacWoW
You have not angered me as I said I do enjoy a good debate. It is nice to speak to someone who is versed regarding this issue.

You really gave me something to think about but when you injected the type of cars they drive I then became distracted. A polite suggestion leave those facts out in the future, it seemed petty and frankly unnecessary. I do understand your passion and that is why you pointed that out. See, it distracted me from the rest of the comment.

Getting back to the rest of your remarks, I was unaware of the feeding tube only being inserted for meal times. It appears it is because she is unable to feed herself. Still is it not the doctor who runs the show and makes sure she has the needed care such as the physical therapy. To help retrain her to do for herself? I know, it is because of her husband that she did not get proper care. Frankly I would consider suing the hospital it appears they did not do right be Terri and the oath they took.

I wonder if she had left a note saying she would not want to be left this way would those who are pro Terri still find a way to get involved?

I can tell you clearly I am conflicted on this issue like one cannot understand.

We treat our pets better. Perhaps the medical field is going to have to decide to make changes.

To think in the 80s a family had a child it was born 3 months early. The doctor kept doing test's kept doing stuff and the parents asked that they stop to allow their daughter to die with some dignity in the arms of her father and mother. The doc would not back down and in the end the parents were in the hole for millions because we could keep the child alive.

Again, thank you for the very informative post. Please take me reply in the same manner.

286 posted on 02/27/2005 12:57:38 AM PST by Former Military Chick
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