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To: HiJinx
Alright, perhaps that was a gross generalization on my part.

My only point was that this problem, despite the best efforts of the open borders lobby, is not going away.

Even if the scale of social benefit programs is curtailed-and I can't envision that occurring, either-there will still be millions of people who want to enter the United States, both legally and illegally.

2,165 posted on 02/12/2005 12:34:34 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Kindly point out who the members of this "open borders lobby" are.


2,173 posted on 02/12/2005 12:39:02 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Even if the scale of social benefit programs is curtailed-and I can't envision that occurring, either-there will still be millions of people who want to enter the United States, both legally and illegally.

The only evidence that seemed provable of this contention that illegal immigration and social benefits are connected in a major way that I ever saw was a case in Maine. But it involved Legal immigration.

There is a community of immigrants from a Muslim country that came for the higher outlays in social services that Maine has. It helps them establish their community and the connection is pretty solid.

IMO, on the southern border there are some instances of medical care crossings,but I think that is really only a isolated thing.The vast majority are looking for opportunities. And they are indeed finding them.

Social services come into play because once here for a seasonal job they are stuck and often must find a way to dig in and wait for the jobs to return.

It is our immigration policies and unintended consequences that have created this, for the most part.

It is one of the things that the worker permit is designed to address.

2,185 posted on 02/12/2005 12:48:36 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
My only point was that this problem, despite the best efforts of the open borders lobby, is not going away.

You are absolutely correct. I've been monitoring this thread now since it went up and I have read every post.

Something that strikes me is that about 80% of the posts agree that illegal immigration is a problem...but we are still arguing with each other.

It's like my teenage son and I...we'll argue until the cows come home and realize, in the end, that we were both on the same side of the issue.

It really looks like that's what's happening here.

2,191 posted on 02/12/2005 12:50:42 PM PST by HiJinx (www .ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~ Coming soon to a tagline near you...)
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