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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
Even if the scale of social benefit programs is curtailed-and I can't envision that occurring, either-there will still be millions of people who want to enter the United States, both legally and illegally.

The only evidence that seemed provable of this contention that illegal immigration and social benefits are connected in a major way that I ever saw was a case in Maine. But it involved Legal immigration.

There is a community of immigrants from a Muslim country that came for the higher outlays in social services that Maine has. It helps them establish their community and the connection is pretty solid.

IMO, on the southern border there are some instances of medical care crossings,but I think that is really only a isolated thing.The vast majority are looking for opportunities. And they are indeed finding them.

Social services come into play because once here for a seasonal job they are stuck and often must find a way to dig in and wait for the jobs to return.

It is our immigration policies and unintended consequences that have created this, for the most part.

It is one of the things that the worker permit is designed to address.

2,185 posted on 02/12/2005 12:48:36 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Cold Heat
Somali Muslims.

Yes, I am aware of the case.

Excellent point!

2,190 posted on 02/12/2005 12:50:41 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("There is some sugar...It's harder in the case of fires. The tariffs are too high!")
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To: Cold Heat
IMO, on the southern border there are some instances of medical care crossings,but I think that is really only a isolated thing.The vast majority are looking for opportunities. And they are indeed finding them.

Social services come into play because once here for a seasonal job they are stuck and often must find a way to dig in and wait for the jobs to return.

You are making good solid arguments in this discussion, but the facts of illegal immigration have evolved recently. Your contention regarding medical crossings may be true elsewhere, but not in Cochise County AZ. I have personal knowledge here, and the hospitals are being crushed by medical crossings. In a county the size (land mass) of the State of Connecticut, we have 5 hospitals. Only one has a maternity ward, and we have 16 beds. The others have had to close because of the payment default rate.

Many illegals are moving into the manufacturing sector and are not reliant on social services to tide them over as you suggest. However, when an employer finds out they are illegal and they get fired, they need those services. Again, personal knowledge, it's happening to my sister's company in Phoenix. They hire in good faith based on apparently valid documentation. Then the SSA tells them a social security number is bogus, and they fire the illegal.

On several occasions, my sister has had former (illegal) employees come to her to validate their employment history so that they can get, among other things, 'baby insurance'. Yep, that's right. "I want the insurance so I can have my baby, please tell the Department of Economic Security that I worked for you." And the AZ drivers' license the young lady handed my sister had a bogus name on it. I don't know how she paid for her baby, but it didn't happen based on employment with my sister's company.

2,231 posted on 02/12/2005 1:21:57 PM PST by HiJinx (www .ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation Easter/Passover ~ Coming soon to a tagline near you...)
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