Rice urges Israel to avoid unilateral steps on Jerusalem

Ha'aretz ^ | 6 February 2005 | Aluf Benn, Haaretz Staff, and Agencies

[ichabod1]

You forget a little problem wtih a muzzle theocracy in Tehran. It's about time to tell the iranian people to rise up and overthrow the mullahs or prepare to meet allah in a fiery cloud.

[Torie]

I don't think hardly any Jews (certainly not the settlers) will want to live in a Palestinian state, in which their communities are governed by such a state. If Abbas is smart, he should offer them full Palestinian citizenship, and honor their homesteads.

[Grzegorz 246]

"What gives Secretary Rice the right to tell us what to do in our capital"

A few billion a year ?

[ex-Texan]

Perhaps Dr. Rice's visit to Israel was make her first public appearance in the Middle East consistent with Colin Powell's previous comments. Give the Pali's a little time. They will explode all possibilities of peace with a reckless school bus bombing or some other vile undertakings. Then Sharon would be justified in seizing more Gaza territory. The Palis have a proven capacity to destroy the 'peace process.' The truth is that Hamas does not want peace. And Hamas controls the Palestinian government. 'Nuff said.

[ichabod1]

So we should wait for our children to die in the next pali pogrom to prove a point?

[Thinkin' Gal]

The only bouncing that would happen is Jews out of the free and democratic Palestinian State, including a Palestinian Jerusalem, which of course will be Jew free.

A Judenrein Judea is an abomination of desolation. A desolation as in "desolate without inhabitant". It's axiomatic. A Pali state standing where it ought not (in Judea) = a Judenrein Judea. Daniel was a prophet... when he was speaking to the kings of Babylon, rulers of Jerusalem at the time.

[Lijahsbubbe]

....Unless, the content has been pre-discussed and ok'd to air

So here's what I see the deal as.

Once again, Israel is expected to take the hits to literally save the world, just as they did when we were positioning ourselves in Iraq. We have Iran (VERY serious for Israel) and Syria to deal with and are trying to keep things from inflaming further.

Of course, mans' ways are not G-d's ways and may well invite further disaster.

[Lijahsbubbe]

TELLING them NOT to go after Iran, which is also none of our concern.

Iran with nukes is everyone's concern.

[Annie03]

ping to article and thread

[Alouette]

The Palestinians need basically to accept the Barak deal

They had their chance and blew it, now it is no longer an option.

[ex-Texan]

I'm not saying that or even suggesting it. The truth is that Hamas will never permit peace in the Middle East. Even assuming that Abbas believes in 'peace' (i do not think the he does), he will dotter around with words and empty gestures while Hamas spins the Palis with talk of 'Jihad.' Hamas will destroy everything. Let them!

What I am saying is that Israel ought wipe out Hamas in Lebanon on the same day that there is an on attack Isreal.

[Torie]

We shall see.

[Terpfen]

There should be two things everyone should keep in mind when they read these "US SecState tells Israel to bend over" threads.

1) The Secretary of State is charged with enacting the foreign policy decided by the President. Rice isn't saying anything Bush doesn't want her to.

2) The news media always gets it at least half-wrong.

[Honestfreedom]

The Israelis have bent over so far that they can kiss their own asses. Of course Americans think they can tell Israelis what to do. Under Sharon Israel has degenerated into a colony of the USA and Sharon has become a colonial governor. All the reasonable people warned that the pullout from Gaza would beget demands for more concessions not fewer.

[wideawake]

To be honest, I think it's all diplomatic horsepuckey.

The US knows that it needs to say certain things in order to enable Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc. to justify supporting the war on terror to their populations.

Israel knows that the US has to say these things for diplomatic purposes.

Israel knows that the US will never militarily intervene or allow Europe or the Arab Axis to militarily intervene in Israel's internal security.

The status quo will continue until the "Palestinians" decide to stop acting like rabid animals and act like people for a change.

[MissAmericanPie]

Rice said Sunday that the disengagement plan is an historic opportunity, and that the future security of Palestinians and Israelis will be ensured only by two states existing side by side.

It is insanity to give a hostile group of terrorists statehood. They will be free to ship in missiles, arms, and who knows what else as a free state. Giving these rabble statehood will destabilize the entire situation, even more than now.

[Grzegorz 246]

"2) If America wasn't so intent on arming Israel's enemies to the teeth..."



Let me guess, Americans are antisemitic ?


"And without that Jewish contribution America would just be another second-rate nation."

Oh, so American Jews are better, more valuable than other Americans ?


"4) If America did withdraw its support, my guess is that Israel's next partner would be China."

Nice choice.