Posted on 02/06/2005 6:45:18 AM PST by presidio9
In front of a cheering male audience, two young women wearing only bras and panties throw themselves into a mud-filled plastic kiddie pool and roll around in a wild wrestling match.
At one point a man in the audience raises a water bottle and douses the entwined pair.
At another, a "referee" moves in to break up the scantily clad grapplers.
A young blond lifts her T-shirt to expose her breasts. A brunette turns her back to the camera and exposes her thong undies.
These scenes, taken from 30 photos leaked to the Daily News, could have been snapped at an out-of-control frat party.
But this happened a world away from any American college.
The photos were taken in Camp Bucca, the military prison at Umm Qasr in the hot sands of southern Iraq near the Kuwaiti border.
The women are not coeds but military policewomen who had left their uniforms in a pile not far off.
The men are soldiers, too. Most of them wore T-shirts emblazoned with Army logos, but at least one was still wearing his uniform.
Some were sergeants, including the referee, and some allegedly were drunk.
The photos were taken last Oct. 30, in the same period when enemy detainees were being transferred to Camp Bucca from Abu Ghraib, the prison made notorious by photos of Americans torturing naked Iraqis.
The Camp Bucca pictures document no such abuses.
But they do show what experts called a disconcerting lapse in discipline at a time when Army brass was touting the camp as a model of reform.
"It was basically a goodbye party for those of us who were leaving and a welcome party for those coming in," the alleged referee, Sgt. Emil Ganim of the 160th Military Police Battalion, told The News. "It was a chance for people to blow off some steam before coming home after spending a year in a combat zone."
But one participant described less-benign behavior.
Two sergeants, she said, told her "they had been lending out their room for soldiers to have sex" - a serious infraction of military regulations.
One female soldier, a prison guard with the 160th Military Police Battalion, was photographed baring her breast and showing off her thong panties.
The picture apparently was taken in the room of one of those sergeants, an investigator reported.
The witness told investigators that two high-ranking noncommissioned officers, a first sergeant and a master sergeant, were present. She "noted that these NCOs had been drinking and were noticeably drunk," the report said.
Ganim said American civilians at the camp also participated in the party, and "if anybody had liquor, it was them."
Ganim has since returned to his civilian job as a deputy sheriff in Leon County, Fla.
"It appears that this event was allegedly coordinated by NCOs [sergeants] of the 160th," according to the initial investigation.
One of the soldiers told investigators the mud-wrestling match was underway when she arrived.
"She took off her uniform and joined the other female soldiers that were wrestling," the report says. But "once soldiers started asking for the females to expose themselves [she and two of the other wrestlers] put their uniforms back on and left the area."
But at least one woman was not deterred.
Deanna Allen, a 19-year-old prison guard with the 105th MP Battalion, smiled and lifted her T-shirt. Photos show a man standing close to her and leering at her breasts while another G.I. snaps pictures.
"From what I understand they dared her to do it," said Allen's grandmother, Luci Tomlin, in Black Mountain, N.C. "It was a loose moment. She is a strong-headed young lady. Sometimes she can be a little irrational."
Allen, who is still stationed in Iraq, did not respond to E-mailed questions from The News. She was demoted in rank to private first class.
"A sex party with alcohol that is prohibited would suggest a serious breakdown of military discipline," said Washington-based lawyer Eugene Fidell, a military-justice expert. "Just how it would be handled would be determined by the commander, who has very broad discretion in situations like this.
Fidell said punishments could range from "a good chewing out to loss of rank" for enlisted personnel and "a letter or career-killing transfer" for officers who allowed it to happen.
...WHAT!? It isn't immoral for women in the workplace to act as strippers act in adult clubs? Do tell, what is immoral sexual behavior? Is oral copulation "sex?" Is anal sex with another man immoral? Where do you draw the line?
If the parties are not married to others, above the age of consent, and of different genders, it's moral.
Ok. I want you to tell me if this is immoral. A friend of mine is a nurse. A few of them had a going away party for a nurse friend. They hired two male strippers. The ladies' boyfriends were outside on the patio drinking beer. The men started having oral sex with some of the nurses, several of them. The nurse who told me about this got it second hand, and she mentioned that the hospital staff were shocked. Why? Because this is not normal behavior. To you, it is, right? Or is it not normal or moral because the women were in the traditional male role of objectifying the opposite sex?
It's moral, but it's tacky.
I wouldn't be involved, but that is my choice.
Do I need to get meds so that I can learn to re-draw my moral line?
You can have your moral line wherever you wish, but that doesn't make it the moral line.
It certainly doesn't make it the line by which the United States Government should judge it's soldiers.
So9
I understand about the alchocol and the problems with mooslims and military protocol,and the sarcasm of bringing a sex party to the AOR.But as I said what do 18-24 year olds do in the good ole USA Have yall heard of girls gone wild? ever heard of a little party in New Orleans called mardigras? again I'm NOT CONDONING but I can see how it happened.Obviously most of you that flamed me must live in a closed box somewhere.
I'm a Quarterite of the past 15 years in New Orleans, actually, and the mayhem's already begun in my area.
I realize you don't condone the behavior. But, in admitting that Boykin's "Post-Modern Christian Crusaders" can only be expected to act like depraved apes given the state of our nation these days -- we have problem do we not?
What sort of "morality" can our nation be expected to export exactly? I find it hard to believe we're gonna export silk purses from the sow's ears on parade here at home.
I think displays like this are part and parcel of the fact the "right" to be immodest does indeed seem to figure prominently where the wimmen so central to perverting a Constitutional Republic into a nanny-state "democracy" is concerned. How else to explain the fact that women gain the "right" to abortion well before the first election is held?
It's particulary evident at Mardi Gras, but the differences in comportment of tourists as a rule year-round (Americans vs. foreigners) have driven home some disturbing truths about Ugly Americans. At least among the natives, there is some sense -- much less real beauty and traditional ritual -- associated with Carnival. While 'mericans are still staggering in their beads in the Quarter and wondering why they don't seem welcome, it's standing room only at Mass on Wednesday.
Bottom line ... we have a lot of nerve thinking to set the rest of the world straight when our own "post-modern Christian crusaders" evidence in spades our Big Lie.
And, you know ... it's not just that "boys will be boys" and girls have gone wild. It's the way these schmucks in uniform have no qualms about only furthering the Abu Ghraib image of Americans as soulless dolts obsessed with tits, ass and alcohol. Must we support these troops too?
At this rate, I'm almost disappointed the UN didn't get its way. It would be nice if these caliber "peacekeepers" got to wear the policeman's uniform of the World State they're actually defending.
I'm sure a lot of idiots on FR find this kind of thing just something to joke about.
=== It certainly doesn't make it the line by which the United States Government should judge it's soldiers.
What about the "moral line" the US uses to judge those countries suitable for military intervention?
If I'd heard as much about weapons of mass destruction as I had women wearing burkas the past year, it would be one thing. But, having set ourselves up as post-Modern Christian Crusaders, I think we need to be perfectly clear about the "moral line" with which we judge (first) ourselves and then the nations we feel entitled to bring up (or down, as the case may be) to our standards.
It has already been established that they broke military rules. That isn't a question.
Actually, it appears you didn't understand.
The military is not the "good ole USA." It is a world of discipline, order, respect, and regulation.
I don't care if they used to sit naked on the front porch and proposition their neighbors. They no longer are in the neighborhood. And it isn't their front porch.
It's the US Army.
Far from being a "prude".......I AM a former commissioned officer in the United States military and an AF Academy grad. I think that qualifies me to say that this is NOT what we expect of our soldiers in a combat zone.
These women should have their heads examined.......then summarily discharged from the military. If they want to strip to their undies and mud-wrestle, fine. Don't you DARE do that s**t while wearing the uniform of MY military, and especially in a foreign country, and ESPECIALLY not in a freakin' combat zone.
Any of you others defending this crap because of their "age" , or "everyone does it", or it "is common in a war zone" are full of s**t. I have kids that age, including one who is a commissioned officer in the US Army. THEY know better. You go overseas to defend this country, you bring standards as to how you treat each other, and as to how you respect that uniform.
If this had been someplace with a bunch of GI's on leave away from the combat area......and NOT involving female military members.........that would be one thing.
If any here fail to see the difference, come talk to me here. I'll straighten your ass out double-quick.
still don't get it huh?
how old are most of those soilders?
Change starts on the inside not with a uniform.
Greece isn't much of a world power anymore. Probably because of moral decline. Just like every other country in Europe.
If there's nothing wrong with it, why are so many officers alarmed at the drop in readiness because of female pregnancy?
Same rules we have now. We have a volunteer force.
Not all 18-24 year olds engage in drunken rowdyness. Those are just the ones you see because you live in your own "closed box".
Yes, especially people who have been trained to kill people. They need to have more self-control than anyone else.
Not my definition of a soapbox, but then again you and I don't see eye to eye on quite a few things.
And you know this because..? So tell me where the phrase "world's oldest profession" comes from.
Nope Dan I know lots of 18-24 year olds that don't engage in such things I minister with them on a daily basis. But to act in amazement to what these few did is.......well it just doesn't make sense, look at the enviroment again I again say I do not condone their actions
I agree with everything you said except the last paragraph.
Just because I can see how these things can happen doesn't mean I am defending these soldiers stupid actions.
Yes, especially people who have been trained to kill people. They need to have more self-control than anyone else.
Hey, I agree with you. I was responding to the Footloose boy earlier. And I'm not shocked about the behavior when there are so many who condone it and make excuses for it including people on this thread. But, I feel like it's a non-issue now. Their superiors have handed out the appropriate punishment and hopefully something has been learned.
Rules like that will make conscription a neccesity, damaging the effectiveness of our combat forces.You think it might be tougher to get volunteers if they know that they have to behave like they are at Sunday school camp even on liberty? Because that's what you're saying here.Same rules we have now. We have a volunteer force.
-Eric
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