[Protagoras]

To me, the legal arguments are always the issue because it is only through the passage of man-made laws whereby we lose individual rights.

My point is that if you only argue about laws which have been enacted or are proposed, you are getting close to agreeing that laws in and of themselves define rights.

Rights exist whether or not laws respect them or usurp them. The people like Robby boy, assert that rights do not exist for some, and that others that do not exist, (group rights) can be asserted. That is incorrect, not to mention liberal.

[houeto]

Rights exist whether or not laws respect them or usurp them. The people like Robby boy, assert that rights do not exist for some, and that others that do not exist, (group rights) can be asserted. That is incorrect, not to mention liberal.

Agreed.

[robertpaulsen]

The state in which you live does not have to protect your so-called "right" to smoke dope. Where did you ever come up with that one?