Marijuana Lobby Grows in Sophistication (After you smoke a joint, I do Too!)

FOX News ^ | Friday, January 28, 2005 | By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

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WASHINGTON — Pot. Cannabis. Hemp. Weed. Grass.

The herb takes many names. But in the nation’s capital, where the marijuana lobby (search) was once the recreational diversion of Playboy Magazine's Hugh Hefner, pro-pot special interest groups have crystallized the divergent issues behind the plant and gained a seemingly unified voice.

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"It’s a no-brainer. It makes no sense putting old and sick folks in jail for an herb that makes them feel better," said Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project (search), which was established in 1995 by Rob Kampia, a former mainstay at the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, the first pro-pot lobby in Washington, D.C.

[mugs99]

No,I never said that I agreed with that

Interesting. That quote was from actual sworn testimony before congress during the Marijuana Tax Act hearings, and was the basis for Marijuana Prohibition.

You admit that the Director of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics lied to congress to get a law passed, but you still support that law based on perjured testimony.

I back my "gibberish" with reference to factual documentation. So far, I haven't see anything but unsubstantiated "gibberish" from you.
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[nopardons]

It would appear that you are incapable of engaging in civil debate and sticking solely to what I posted,without throwing up a number of straw man exercises,trying to put words in my mouth,"baitings",and attempts at mind reading. LOL

In the times when pot was used for medicinal purposes,it was made into weak tinctures/infusions and not smoke. That is a fact.If you would care to debate on that issue,I will gladly give you a book list. If not,then go peddle your rants of choice at someone else. ;^)

[mugs99]

That is a fact.

Back it up. I agree that they used tinctures (a tincture is made with alcohol) and teas. You commented on the potency and claim that was the only way they used cannabis.

Cite a reference...or can you only post propaganda and insults?

[nopardons]

It's really a pity that your projection complex is so very advanced,but perhaps you'll get some help for it soon.;^)

Let's being with "Culpepper's Colour Herbal", shall we, since it's about 400 years old and has been used by herbalists as their "bible"/major reference work since its publican. The seeds of the hemp plant expel wind.(sorry,it doesn't say exactly how one is to use the seeds,but they certainly weren't to be smoke!) A few seeds boiled in milk were used for a cough.The oil from the seeds,dropped in the ear,will draw forth earwigs.( SINCE EARWIGS DO NOT GO DXOWN INTO PEOPLE'S EARS,THIS IS AS SILLY AS SOME OF THE REST OF THE STATED USES FOR ANY PART OF THE HEMP/POT PLANT!LOL)

An emulsion,made form seeds was advised for jaundice;especially if there be ague accompanying it.A decoction of the root was for the allaying of inflammations of the head.The herb distilled in clear water does the same.

The fresh root mixed with oil or butter is good for burn. Butter MAY BE GOOD FOR BURNS,THE PLANT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING TO HEAL THEM,THOUGH IT IS SUPPOSEDLY A MILD ANALGESIC!

Then there's "THE GREAT AMERICAN MEDICAL SHOW" by David Armstrong and Elizabeth Metzger Armstrong ,which quotes from 1)John Tennent's 1743 " EVERY MAN HIS OWN PHYSICIAN","THE REFORMED BOTANIC AND INDIAN PHYSICIAN" by Doctor David Smith (early 19th century),and the editors of the 1919 edition of "HEALTH KNOWLEDGE",which was a self help book.

I'd also include what I know about patent medicines and the use of hemp in England in early Victorian times (and titles for a few more books),but it's really more of the same hard,cold,facts,unlike your wee rants,ad hominems,baitings,obfuscations,and propaganda,so you probably won't like to hear about them either.

Oh,and BTW........ all tinctures are NOT made with alcohol,though some were/are.Precise FACTS really DO matter! :-)

[robertpaulsen]

"Interesting. That quote was from actual sworn testimony before congress during the Marijuana Tax Act hearings, and was the basis for Marijuana Prohibition."

First, that testimony took place in 1937, almost 70 years ago.

Second, that testimony supported the basis for the Marijuana Tax Act, not "Marijuana Prohibition".

Third, by citing this testimony, are you suggesting that it remains the basis for our current marijuana policy?

[tacticalogic]

Second, that testimony supported the basis for the Marijuana Tax Act, not "Marijuana Prohibition".

That's about as convincing an argument as Bill Clinton's prevarications on the meaning of "is". A rose by any other name.........

[tacticalogic]

Yes,REALLY and the infusions or tinctures were VERY weak and wouldn't give you a high.They were weaker than what you'd think and you'd get a higher "buzz" drinking an espresso.

That seems to be an unlikely assesment, based on the discription of preparation of the tinctures from the British Pharmacopia, and the descriptions of it's use. Can you quantify "very weak"?

[nopardons]

That's what it says in Queen Victoria's diary..."a very weak tea of..........."

[tacticalogic]

That's what it says in Queen Victoria's diary..."a very weak tea of..........."

I don't know if I'd be willing to accept that as an accurate characterization of the dosage. The uses for the drug listed in the pharmacopia indicate that it was being prescribed for it's psychoactive properties. It seems implausible that it would be prescribed for those properties in dosages at which the effects would be undetectable.

[mugs99]

First, that testimony took place in 1937, almost 70 years ago
So, what's your point?

Second, that testimony supported the basis for the Marijuana Tax Act, not "Marijuana Prohibition

The Marijuana Tax Act is Prohibition. The stamps were never issued and it's against the law to deal marijuana without a tax stamp. In addition, The government testified that this act would only apply to commercial dealers. They promised that people would still be able to grow for their own personal consumption. They broke that promise as soon as the act was passed.

Third, by citing this testimony, are you suggesting that it remains the basis for our current marijuana policy?

Yes...It worked then and the modern version of it is working togay.
The government lied in 1937 and the goverment is still lying today. It's about money. When prohibition was repealled alcohol enforcement funds were cut. Harry lied to congress to put his men back to work. The government is lying today to keep the money rolling in.
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[mugs99]

ROTFLMAO!!!
You said in post #438:
"all you pro-pot people,when talking about how it was medicinally used 300 years ago,don't know what you're talking about and should just keep quite"

Now you reference a couple of recipe books that show they did use it medicinally. You disproved your own point. Thanks for the info. I've never said they did or did not use it medicinally. Now I'll be able to quote you if I ever do decide to claim they used it medicinally.

hard,cold,facts,

Hard, cold, facts of what? Two recipe books that show how to make your own home remedies do not refute anything I've posted.

unlike your wee rants,ad hominems,baitings,obfuscations,and propaganda,so you probably won't like to hear about them either.

My "wee rants" are backed up by verifiable historical documentation, which was posted right here on this thread. All you can offer is a couple of old recipe books
Again.....ROTFLMAO!!!
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[nopardons]

No,it wasn't. There actually are other properties of this plant,such as it being a mild depressor of pain....i.e. the reason it was mixed with butter or oils,for a poultice to be used on burns.And then there are the other suggested uses, from Cullpepper,which are patently ridiculous.Taking some sort of concoction,which included pot,for gout,is laughable,as is the oil from the seeds for displacing earwigs from ears!

And American colonists,down through and including the FFs didn't use this plant for much other than making rope! You people assume that they used it for medicinal purposes ,but in Martha Ballard's extremely detailed diary I she was a midwife,but also treated all people for a myriad of disease,in from 1785-1812!) there is no,none,nada,zilch,zero,bupkiss mention of hemp;yet she names every herb/substance that she used,how she used these things,when and for what and whom she treated!

You really should read "A MIDWIFE'S TALE" ;it's very interesting. :-)

You so desperately want to believe the garbage you post,that the facts are irrelevant to you and your ilk.

[nopardons]

I listed far more than two books,neither of which are "recipe books".

Cullpepper's Herbal is an English book written in the 1600s.

Hemp was almost NEVER used in the American colonies for medicinal purposes.IT WAS USED FOR ROPES.But you really,really,REALLY want to believe,so facts,as I have said,mean less than nothing whatsoever to you.That's okay...I post for lurkers to read...not to convince those with your mindset. :-)

[tacticalogic]

No,it wasn't. There actually are other properties of this plant,such as it being a mild depressor of pain..

Since when are "pain depressor" and "psychoactive" exclusive terms? Most pain depressors are classified as psychoactive drugs.

You really should read "A MIDWIFE'S TALE" ;it's very interesting. :-)

Perhaps I will.

You so desperately want to believe the garbage you post,that the facts are irrelevant to you and your ilk.

I'll leave you with your diaries and novels. They are obviously a much more objective and authoritative source of pharmacological information than the medical references of the day.

[nopardons]

since oil of hemp seeds were suggested (ROTFLMAOPIMP!) for used of making earwigs climb out of an ear;a place they NEVER go,for one. *giggle*

Do you know what an earwig is? :-)

NOVELS? There wasn't a novel in the list I posted.

[tacticalogic]

since oil of hemp seeds were suggested (ROTFLMAOPIMP!) for used of making earwigs climb out of an ear;a place they NEVER go,for one. *giggle* Do you know what an earwig is? :-)

It's a bug. AFAIK they don't bite, sting, or eat houses, and have never caused me any grief. Is there something else about them I need to know? :-(

NOVELS? There wasn't a novel in the list I posted.

Diaries, then. :-)

[nopardons]

Obviously you are as unfamiliar with earwigs,as you are with historical facts about medicinal uses of pot.

Earwigs are insects which eats vegetation,but while no,they don't "sting",per se,they have pinchers which they use to pinch and inject venom,any animal life they happen upon.I've been "pinched" by earwigs and it feels like mini electrical shocks. But 100s of years ago,which is how they got the name,it was supposed,for NO logical reason at all,that they lived in wigs and would crawl down into people"s ears.They didn't back then and they still don't. Yet,here is Culpepper telling people to drop several drops of oil of hemp seeds into ears to make earwigs come out of an ear.THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH A PSYCOTROPIC USE.

A diary,written by a midwife,isn't fiction;especially when her writings are the same as the records now kept by any doctor...i.e. the name of the patient,the disease/problem,and what the treatment was.

And in my first post,I mentioned one,ONE such book only;the rest being herbals and/or medical texts/self help health/medical tracts.

[tacticalogic]

THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH A PSYCOTROPIC USE.

I agree completely. I don't have, and haven't expressed any disagreement with you about it. Why are you shouting?

[nopardons]

For other people's benefit. :-)

[tacticalogic]

Wouldn't it be more effective addressed to them?