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Marijuana Lobby Grows in Sophistication (After you smoke a joint, I do Too!)
FOX News ^ | Friday, January 28, 2005 | By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

Posted on 02/01/2005 10:22:25 AM PST by .cnI redruM

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To: mugs99
It's the intent.

Many people, for example, have a glass of wine or two with dinner. Not to get high, but because it enhances the meal. The same is true of those who, instead, have an apertif before a meal, or a brandy afterwards.

People will have a glass of champagne to bring in the New Year or to celebrate a wedding. People will drink a toast at a farewell dinner. Will have a beer or two to cool down on a hot day. Will bring a bottle of wine as gift.

Alcohol is part of our culture. It's used in religious ceremonies and at social occasions. The person who abuses alcohol is frowned upon -- movies are not made glorifying the use of it to get high.

Responsible social drinkers do not drink with the intent of getting high. Those who will risk everything just to get their precious dope, do.

301 posted on 02/03/2005 6:45:38 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; Ken H
It's the intent, Ken H.

Would that be "original intent" or "sole intent"?

302 posted on 02/03/2005 7:34:05 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: robertpaulsen
Hmmmm. Pain ... muscle spasms ... nausea ... wait a minute. Doctors have to take the patient's word for those. Aha!

Doctors have to take the patients word on a lot of things. Doctors prescribe pain medication based on patients telling their doctor they are in pain. They also often prescribe benzodiazepines to people suffering from restless leg syndrome and as far as I know there is no medical test to confirm RLS.

303 posted on 02/03/2005 7:37:34 AM PST by muggs
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To: robertpaulsen

You are trying to make the arguement that 90% of alchol use is responsible, i.e., goes to gifts, toasts, religious ceremonies etc. and only 10% is used to by people to get drunk? I'd like to see your data on that.


304 posted on 02/03/2005 7:44:55 AM PST by bird4four4
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To: .cnI redruM

Dope never hurt us none

305 posted on 02/03/2005 7:47:25 AM PST by woofie
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To: TigersEye
I've never known cannabis to impart a false sense of self-control the way alcohol intoxication quite often does.

No, but quite a few of the connoisseur grade indica strains impart a sleepy "narcotic type" buzz, much more intense than the average spaciness derived from commercial Mexican. I'd put it on a level with cell phones or kids in the back seat. It can cause a serious distraction when driving.

Also, cannabis intoxication can be completely overcome by force of will.

LOL

If that has been your experience, you need to find a supplier with a better grade of product.

306 posted on 02/03/2005 8:00:57 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: mugs99
George Washington obviously thought so. That's why he grew it!

Without having been there at the time, it is difficult to prove. But I think it is more likely that he grew a sativa strain. Indica isn't native to this hemisphere.

307 posted on 02/03/2005 8:05:51 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: bird4four4
90% of adult alcohol use, yes.
308 posted on 02/03/2005 8:15:43 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: TigersEye

In the beginning prices were high since it was rare but I find it impossible to believe what you are telling me, that is was cheaper than a joint.


309 posted on 02/03/2005 8:21:03 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Protagoras; robertpaulsen
But every single time you make any comment about other people using drugs, I will point out your past use.

So the morality nanny robertpaulsen is an admitted (former) drug user?

Priceless. I guess he needs the power of the government to keep him from using marijuana.

310 posted on 02/03/2005 8:23:24 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill
So the morality nanny robertpaulsen is an admitted (former) drug user?

Please note, I NEVER SAID HE ADMITTED IT.

311 posted on 02/03/2005 8:27:49 AM PST by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: TigersEye
FF: The "powers behind the thrones" are far better served when the unwashed masses are strung out in one manner or another. ... If a significant percentage of the population is unable to comprehend, or focus on, what the mega money players are up to, their goals become that much easier to obtain.

TE: That's one reason alcohol is legal and pot is not. Alcohol clouds reason.

My comment was intended to rise above the legal - illegal debate.

It matters not to the "behind the scenes" guys whether the average Joe is distracted by heroin, meth, prozac, ritalin, weed or booze. As long as his focus remains elsewhere, they get to do as they please, unobstructed.

Therefore, IMO, it is naive to believe that the problem of chemical dependence will ever be eliminated.

Free minds would create a far greater problem.

312 posted on 02/03/2005 8:29:16 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Cheaper than a joint? A lid, which was not a weighed ounce but a baggie stuffed four fingers wide making it closer to two ounces, was $5. Believe what you want to, I know what I paid.


313 posted on 02/03/2005 8:29:49 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Freebird Forever
I'd put it on a level with cell phones or kids in the back seat. It can cause a serious distraction when driving.

Which can also be ignored by anyone with a little self-control. Point being, alcohol impairment can't.

If that has been your experience, you need to find a supplier with a better grade of product.

That's quite a humorous rejoinder but has nothing to do with reality.

314 posted on 02/03/2005 8:33:38 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Freebird Forever
My comment was intended to rise above the legal - illegal debate.

My comment didn't bring it down to the legal - illegal sphere. Alcohol clouds reason as does everything else you listed...except cannabis. It is also the only one that produces no chemical dependence.

315 posted on 02/03/2005 8:38:31 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: TigersEye

Read his diary....
August 7, 1765: "--began to seperate the Male from the Female Hemp at Do--rather too late."
As any farmer knows, this does not refer to hemp fiber production. This will decrease fiber production by 50%. The "rather too late" is significant. That means the females were already pollinated. You destroy the male plants to prevent the females developing seed. This is done to increas the potency of the drug. Today this is called the Sinsimilla Technique.
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316 posted on 02/03/2005 8:39:29 AM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: robertpaulsen
Those are good arguments for the legalization of all drugs. I'm not at all interested in debating the legalization of all drugs. What is your argument for the legalization of just marijuana?

I already told you: the "generic" arguments combined with prudence. To rule out an argument because a subset of it applies to all drugs is simply to duck the marijuana debate.

317 posted on 02/03/2005 8:46:06 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Sender
If you do not have a victim, you do not have a crime.


318 posted on 02/03/2005 8:48:11 AM PST by granite (WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?)
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To: robertpaulsen
You're certainly not saying that the 10th amendment is specific as to the powers to which it is referring, are you?

Since it is well specified, its not being an explicit enumeration has no relevance.

319 posted on 02/03/2005 8:49:08 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: robertpaulsen
90% of adult alcohol use [is responsible], yes.

Like the man said, I'd like to see the supporting data.

320 posted on 02/03/2005 8:51:23 AM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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