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1 posted on 01/31/2005 8:31:00 PM PST by jveritas
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You know you're in for it now. :)


2 posted on 01/31/2005 8:33:19 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a conservative.)
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Go ahead Mucho Guys

Mucho? Yeah, there are a lot of us.

3 posted on 01/31/2005 8:34:21 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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Better yet!

Go to "Save Our License" and download the petition, sign it and get your family and friends to sign it and mail it in!

http://www.saveourlicense.com



4 posted on 01/31/2005 8:36:29 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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I don't hate our president but yet I'm very angry and concerned with his immigration policies. Specially the Lunatic Sanctuary Policy.
6 posted on 01/31/2005 8:40:58 PM PST by sanchez810
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To: COEXERJ145

ping


7 posted on 01/31/2005 8:43:21 PM PST by jveritas
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To: Joe Hadenuf; JustAnAmerican; JustAnotherSavage

Come on guys, where are you hiding.


8 posted on 01/31/2005 8:44:37 PM PST by jveritas
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Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California -- which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide -- $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.
A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body.
The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration.
"California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal-alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle-class tax base," said FAIR President Dan Stein.
"Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become," he said.
California is estimated to be home to nearly 3 million illegal aliens.
Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses. The total of such payments was estimated in the report to be about $1.6 billion per year.
He also said the total cost of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas, such as special English instruction, school meal programs or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal-alien workers were added into the equation.
Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy.
"Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.
In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion.
The FAIR report focused on three specific program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the Urban Institute in 1994, Mr. Stein said. Looking at the costs of education, health care and incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that California was subsidizing illegal immigrants at about $1.1 billion a year.
Mr. Stein said an enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants in 10 years is because of the rapid growth of the illegal population. He said it is reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
"1994 was the same year that California voters rebelled and overwhelmingly passed Proposition 187, which sought to limit liability for mass illegal immigration," he said. "Since then, state and local governments have blatantly ignored the wishes of the voters and continued to shell out publicly financed benefits on illegal aliens.
"Predictably, the costs of illegal immigration have grown geometrically, while the state has spiraled into a fiscal crisis that has brought it near bankruptcy," he said.
Mr. Stein said that the state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal-alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed, and that policies need to be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.


http://www.washingtontimes.com


9 posted on 01/31/2005 8:45:02 PM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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In the last three months the obsessed minority of freepers but very vocal who hate President Bush have been bombarding us with every illegal immigration thread under the sun so they have their "BASH BUSH ORGY".

Posting ridiculous vanities is bad enough, the least you could do is post something that makes sense.

10 posted on 01/31/2005 8:45:26 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: jveritas

Do you support illegal immigration?


12 posted on 01/31/2005 8:46:59 PM PST by sanchez810
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Uh-oh. LOL

You picked up on the hypocrisy?

I firmly believe we need to get a hold of our borders, though less for reasons of security. It has more to do with preserving American culture. Rather than importing socialists, those that go through the citizenship process or come here legally illustrate from the start a loyalty, understanding and respect for our laws and history. This is part of what gives us strength.

But I have nothing in common with those that are obsessed, racist, or the "right" contingent of the ABB crowd. I usually avoid the immigration threads feeling I'll gain little from the association.

I will admit to hypocrisy. Much as I am in disagreement with the President on this issue, I've never picked up a phone to report an illegal. Most Americans would not. There is a bit of hypocrisy in the demand politicians take the rap for something we are not willing to do ourselves. Sure, it's their job. But we're their employers.


14 posted on 01/31/2005 8:47:50 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: jveritas; Howlin; PRND21; Dane; Joe Hadenuf


Interesting post.
Good thinking.

I suspect our resident Bush bashers won't take your challenge...

the last challenge they took was

the Pepsi challenge and they chose Jif...

smart guys that they are.


15 posted on 01/31/2005 8:47:54 PM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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This ought to be good. Nothing like pouring a little gasoline on a hornet's nest.


32 posted on 01/31/2005 9:11:19 PM PST by Rokke
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I accept that challenge as should we all. The reasonsare simple. America is fast disappearing and if we don't pick up that phone and report the illegal aliens and the companies that are hiring them, there will not be an America for those who are willing to enter this country leally to come to.

Why is it so difficult to understand this. Other Countries zealously guard their borders. They have nothing near what we have enjoyed in this country, but they guard their borders! Deportation from these countries is quick and easy, because the illegal aliens are ILLEGAL!!

Whats more Jveritas, where will you and your meek followers be able to hide once you allow them to Conquer you? I would like to know because I will probably be dead reather than be cower down to my enimies.


90 posted on 01/31/2005 10:18:20 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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This is as absurd a vanity as has ever been posted. Even so...

Please let us know why demanding President Bush ENFORCE the border and immediately curb the illegal invasion is called a "BASH BUSH ORGY"

Don't you believe the law should be enforced?

Maybe it's contingent upon the President to see to it that the INS and law enforcement are given priority to do so.

Why hasn't he yet??

106 posted on 01/31/2005 10:56:17 PM PST by F16Fighter
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Instead of the Mexicans coming here to the US, why don't we go down there?! Why not invade Mexico, turn their Provences or whatever they call them into states? Export American Democracy to Mexico!?


116 posted on 01/31/2005 11:53:27 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Sit nomen Dómini benedíctum,Ex hoc nunc, et usque in sæculum! per ómnia saecula saeculórum)
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This about says it all:

The Immigration Problem

134 posted on 02/01/2005 2:28:47 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Go Howard Go!)
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First, even the posting of this idiotic thread breaks the TOS for this site, and thus deserves very little if any response. But as an aside, folks might want to read jveritas posts and notice the grammer. English doesn't look like she/he/it's primary language.


139 posted on 02/01/2005 2:44:32 AM PST by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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The cousin of one of my employees was killed in a head on car crash. The other driver was an illegal Mexican in a stolen car. The judge let the guy out on $10,000 bail (he had to put up $1,000), and the guy skipped on back to Mexico. That was the end of that, Mexico won't send him back for trial.

Some good neighbor don't you think? By the way, my employee is hispanic and he can't stand illegals, I wonder why.


146 posted on 02/01/2005 3:35:20 AM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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Robinson not only should delete this thread, he should delete you.


157 posted on 02/01/2005 5:45:48 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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Thanks for posting this important thread. I congratulate you and the other FROBLs for being generous enough to focus attention on the methods available to assist law enforcement in fighting the illegal alien lawbreakers invading the country, and the obligation that citizens have to assist in this matter.

Here is an another option that may have escaped peoples attention:

http://www.reportillegals.com/


Try it. It works.
172 posted on 02/01/2005 6:29:21 AM PST by spodefly (Yo, homey ... Is that my briefcase?)
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