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To: narses

"Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee."

"These are the words of the Holy Writ. If even Martin Luther could understand the relationship of the Virgin Mary to Our Lord and our relationship with her for His sake, why can't you?"

1. Christ never prayed this prayer.

2. Mary is not established above any other human.

3. Who wrote this "Holy Writ", certainly is not Biblical?

4. None of the disciples ever said these words, and nowhere did Paul even hint at such.

5. Not one of the New Testament writers even gives a hint or suggestion that Mary is to be any part of a prayer.

6. Mary nor her face, or image was anywhere around on that Mount of Transfiguration. Christ has Moses and Elias (Elijah) not Mary.

Mary never saved anybody, Christ is the only one who saves.


204 posted on 01/29/2005 5:41:24 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
Re: "Hail Mary, Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee."

Luke 1:28, "The angel(Gabriel) went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."

Hail is an archaic salutation. It replaces greetings. Full of Grace would certainly describe one who is highly favored by God.

"Christ has Moses and Elias (Elijah) not Mary."

Mary is the mother of God. There's a special place in His heart for her. The prayer asks Mary to pray for sinners. Have you forgotten Mary's request and discussion at the wedding at Cana?

207 posted on 01/29/2005 5:59:16 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Just mythoughts

"Hail (Mary) full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women", embodies the words used by the Angel Gabriel in saluting the Blessed Virgin (Luke, I, 28). The second, "and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (Jesus)", is borrowed from the Divinely inspired greeting of St. Elizabeth (Luke, i, 42).

Maybe the Holy Writ isn't good enough for you, but clearly both the Archangel Gabriel and St. Elizabeth ARE quoted saying these EXACT things in the Bible, citations above.


215 posted on 01/29/2005 8:18:18 PM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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