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Juan Manuel Alvarez, man who caused yesterday's multiple train derailment, is a U.S. citizen
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin ^ | 1/27/05 | Troy Anderson, Staff Writer

Posted on 01/27/2005 12:12:56 PM PST by Wolfstar

Alvarez's estranged wife said he threatened her and her family and threatened to abduct their 3-year-old son, although he never physically assaulted her, according to a request for a temporary restraining order that was granted Dec. 14, The Associated Press reported.

"He threatened to take our kid away and to hurt my family members," Carmelita Alvarez said. "He is planning on selling his vehicle to buy a gun and threatened to use it. He is using drugs and has been in and out of rehab twice."

[SNIP]

Alvarez, a U.S. citizen, watched as the train barreled into his SUV shortly after 6 a.m.

"He was found right at the scene," [Glendale Police Chief Randy] Adams said. "The suspect has admitted placing his vehicle on the tracks."

[SNIP]

U.S. Attorney's Office spokesman Thom Mrozek said there is potential federal jurisdiction with a possible death penalty in the case.

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KEYWORDS: aliens; alvarez; blc; california; derailment; glendale; immmigrantlist; juanmanuel; loco; metrolink; train; unionpacific
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To: FITZ
I still would guess he's from the recent immigrant wave coming from Mexico. Likely an anchor baby born here so his parents can stay and receive welfare.

I would make the same guess. Plus let's verify he's a US citizen. He may only have a green card. Who knows for sure at this point.

261 posted on 01/27/2005 6:15:38 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Tempest
So, I'm still trying to determine what his legal status has to do with the accident?

We are in the middle of an illegal alien invasion. Many of them are criminals, just ask the California prison system

Would it make it anymore or less tragic? 

Yes. It would anger me a lot more when some loony tune comes to (immigrates) America and kills Americans. Either way the man should get the death penalty ASAP.

262 posted on 01/27/2005 6:20:44 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group
But that isn't taking into account the fact that Mexican immigrants don't assimilate.

Being immersed in all kinds of Mexican witchcraft and Mexican satanic rituals is pretty good evidence that this guy wasn't much into American culture --- and that's very common with the anchor babies.

The racists on this thread just cannot accept that this buy might not be from one of those old American hispanic families of the SW ---- who are better citizens than many. But according to them --- it's fine to believe a criminal is of that group --- that isn't racism --- for some really odd reason --- but that's certainly stretching the definition of racism even more than it already is.

263 posted on 01/27/2005 6:23:05 PM PST by FITZ
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To: TankerKC

I never ruled out him being an anchor baby --- citizenship lately is very cheap. I still bet against him being from one of those old families which have lived in the USA for many generations --- which lived here before the SW joined the USA or the immigrants who came during the revolution. And as immersed as he was into Mexican witchcraft --- I'm not changing my mind on him being of the Mexicans moving into the USA that Vicente Fox is so boastful of. And American citizen no longer rules out someone being a Mexican citizen.


264 posted on 01/27/2005 6:35:40 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ

Right, Alvarez is an insult to purebred Americans like you and me.


265 posted on 01/27/2005 6:39:32 PM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: TankerKC
Right, Alvarez is an insult to purebred Americans like you and me.

Correct. He has not been long in America and he killed 12 Americans. Someone who just off the banana boat is not an American in the same sense that someone who has been here for generations is.

266 posted on 01/27/2005 6:45:38 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: FITZ

What the hell are you talking about?


267 posted on 01/27/2005 6:55:33 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I think it's actually racist --- if racism is involved here --- maybe some other kind of bigotry --- to automatically assume this guy is from the old hispanic families of the SW USA --- why would you jump to that conclusion when that group of people does not have a high crime rate at all?

It's really ridiculous actually that you and others even bring up "racism" in this --- as if "hispanic" is a race in the first place and as if his being hispanic is somehow in question.

And if we're a nation of "immigrants" as some like to say --- why is assuming he's of an older immigrant group somehow so superior to guessing he's from a recent immigrant group? Or is it okay to have that kind of bigotry that says recent immigrants are all better than earlier immigrants?


268 posted on 01/27/2005 7:21:35 PM PST by FITZ
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To: TankerKC

Mexican satanic rituals aren't really a common theme you see among those long-time American hispanics. I still guess this guy doesn't come from one of the old Santa Fe NM families, or one of the old California Spanish descended families. But then I also don't believe "hispanic" or even "Mexican" is a race. But yes --- I do believe the country of Mexico is in a fast decline and they've been pushing their many problems over to us as their only solution for 2 or 3 decades now.


269 posted on 01/27/2005 7:25:36 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Joe Hadenuf

Oh I'm sorry. I was under the impression that "folks" were using the incident as a means to inject their natavist agenda......

You know it was a suicidal immigrant therefore the actions were more tragic....


270 posted on 01/27/2005 7:37:24 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: FITZ
"That's racism in my mind." Well gee... I'm glad that we're all so wary of racism around here now.....
271 posted on 01/27/2005 7:38:52 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: dennisw
"We are in the middle of an illegal alien invasion. Many of them are criminals, just ask the California prison system"

How should I parse my question to the California prison system? Is there a specific individual I can speak to?

"Yes. It would anger me a lot more when some loony tune comes to (immigrates) America and kills Americans. Either way the man should get the death penalty ASAP."

I agree crimes are always magnified when committed by an immigrant. Take for example, this damn Norwegian MFer stole my spoon the other day. There we were in the buffet line and I was eyeballing this shiny piece of silverware when this damn non-english speaking foreigner comes and snags it from me!

I mean the gall! These people should know there place! Coming to a restaurant in my neighborhood and cutting in line to snag the last spoon. I had to wait two minutes before the wait staff brought out a new batch...

272 posted on 01/27/2005 7:45:39 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Tempest

Drama and hyperbole are your allies, not logic.


273 posted on 01/27/2005 7:51:23 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Tempest
Oh I'm sorry. I was under the impression that "folks" were using the incident as a means to inject their natavist agenda

You haven't a clue. No offense, but you're the one that called this mass murder an "accident".

274 posted on 01/27/2005 7:54:47 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (No more illegal alien sympathizers from Texas. America has one too many.)
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To: Tempest

Well --- YOU'RE the one who believes that the recent and more criminal subclass from Mexico somehow reflect back on ALL hispanics. We're now to believe that all have equally high likelihood of committing violent crimes. That's like stereotyping all blacks because a certain subclass of them commit more crimes. Just keep in mind though -- a city like El Paso (mostly hispanic) is relatively safe -- in fact one of the safest USA large cities --- yet right across the border is an extremely violent city. That would lead me to believe "race", "ethnicity", or whatever isn't the factor. Mexico itself is a country headed for disaster at a very high speed.


275 posted on 01/27/2005 7:55:09 PM PST by FITZ
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To: dennisw

Thank you Mr. Elitist.


276 posted on 01/27/2005 8:05:45 PM PST by TankerKC (The Media turn each tactical victory for insurgents into a strategic victory for terrorists.)
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To: FITZ
I think it's actually racist ...to automatically assume this guy is from the old hispanic families of the SW USA

I didn't. Reread my posts.

277 posted on 01/27/2005 8:12:37 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: FITZ
"Likely an anchor baby born here so his parents can stay and receive welfare."

Obviously!..... Miss Cleo agrees with your assesment and will be sending me a bill for each minute it took for here to come to that conclusion. Thank goodness we have such a story to stick to. He's not a pure American.... He's dirty... that explains how such a thing happened...

278 posted on 01/27/2005 8:15:55 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I think post #265 and 266 might explain it.....

Apparantly if the nut bag had been here longer he would have been less inclined to be depressed and do something really sadistic...


Because the more generations you spend here the more happier and less sadistic you're inclined to be.... It all makes logical sense....


279 posted on 01/27/2005 8:22:29 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Your argument is a pathetic one based on semantics. It must be sad to have to nit pik in order to try to feign superiority...
280 posted on 01/27/2005 8:28:53 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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