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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; Corin Stormhands; P-Marlowe
You continue to offer our side of the debate and call it your own. Fine by me. Grace saves. Faith is the instrument God employs to bestow His grace. It's what we've been saying from day one.

No, you did not say that faith was an instrument, you said it was a result of regeneration.

And as those theologians stated it is what man is required to do.

Calvinists A.T. Robinson, Gill, and Calvin all say it is the instrument by which we are saved, not just a sign that we are saved God could have given us a fortune cookie to tell us of His bestowal of grace, ftd, with the following verse inside... "YOU ARE SAVED BY THE ATONING SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED IN YOUR STEAD. FALL TO YOUR KNEES AND THANK GOD ALMIGHTY But the cookie doesn't save us; HIS GRACE SAVES US through faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

You have to believe what the message says before you are saved.

Faith cometh by hearing, not by regeneration. (Rom.10:17)

That means that faith is how we are saved and how we approbriate Grace.

One day, God willing, you'll get the distinction. It's the difference between Geneva and Rome. Monergism/synergism.

No, one day you will actually believe what the scripture says.

So, in your Christian walk, how is your faith?

Are you choosingto yield to God or rejecting God and sinning.

Or does God do the choosing there also, giving you the faith sometimes and allowing you to sin others?

Faith is how we walk with God, Faith is how we are saved by God.

Faith is how we please God.

And believing is what you choose to do or not do.

I expect that in a month you will be back proclaiming that faith is a sign that you have been regenerated and not an instrument to obtain that regeneration.

820 posted on 01/27/2005 4:38:09 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration; HarleyD; thePilgrim; RnMomof7; Gamecock; GLENNS; topcat54; Frumanchu; ...
You have to believe what the message says before you are saved.

No. The message has to be sent before you believe.

And if the message is sent, that Jesus Christ died for your sins and was resurrected into Glory for you who is now and always has been one of the sheep (Psalms 100:3), then you can do nothing else BUT believe.

As Scripture has told us time and again, dead men cannot do anything God-pleasing unless and until He rebirths us. Then we believe.

I expect that in a month you will be back proclaiming that faith is a sign that you have been regenerated and not an instrument to obtain that regeneration.

No contradiction there at all, ftd. But you can be sure I will not be proclaiming faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ as the refuseable, refundable, plastic ticket to heaven some see it as.

instrument to obtain

There's your error.

Faith is not our instrument to "obtain" anything. Faith is God's instrument which He employs to bestow grace and which identifies us as His sheep.

Not only are your prepositions screwed up, now you're mashing the verbs.

823 posted on 01/27/2005 4:56:40 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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