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To: fortheDeclaration; HarleyD; thePilgrim; RnMomof7; Gamecock; GLENNS; topcat54; Frumanchu; ...
You have to believe what the message says before you are saved.

No. The message has to be sent before you believe.

And if the message is sent, that Jesus Christ died for your sins and was resurrected into Glory for you who is now and always has been one of the sheep (Psalms 100:3), then you can do nothing else BUT believe.

As Scripture has told us time and again, dead men cannot do anything God-pleasing unless and until He rebirths us. Then we believe.

I expect that in a month you will be back proclaiming that faith is a sign that you have been regenerated and not an instrument to obtain that regeneration.

No contradiction there at all, ftd. But you can be sure I will not be proclaiming faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ as the refuseable, refundable, plastic ticket to heaven some see it as.

instrument to obtain

There's your error.

Faith is not our instrument to "obtain" anything. Faith is God's instrument which He employs to bestow grace and which identifies us as His sheep.

Not only are your prepositions screwed up, now you're mashing the verbs.

823 posted on 01/27/2005 4:56:40 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You have to believe what the message says before you are saved. No. The message has to be sent before you believe.

True. First you have to have the word God before you can hear it (Rom.10:14-15)

And if the message is sent, that Jesus Christ died for your sins and was resurrected into Glory for you who is now and always has been one of the sheep (Psalms 100:3), then you can do nothing else BUT believe.

Ok, that is correct but you must do something and that is believe.

As Scripture has told us time and again, dead men cannot do anything God-pleasing unless and until He rebirths us. Then we believe.

You see what I mean.

If faith is the instrument by which we are saved, then it must precede the rebirth since that is what happens when we are saved!

I expect that in a month you will be back proclaiming that faith is a sign that you have been regenerated and not an instrument to obtain that regeneration. No contradiction there at all, ftd. But you can be sure I will not be proclaiming faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ as the refuseable, refundable, plastic ticket to heaven some see it as There's your error. Faith is not our instrument to "obtain" anything. Faith is God's instrument which He employs to bestow grace and which identifies us as His sheep.

Faith is the man side of the salvation equation.

And if there is two sides to the equation,a Godward and a Manward side, then you do not have monergism.

You have man having to accept something.

Man is involved in the salvation event by accepting the free gift by means of faith.

It is all of Grace since faith is not a work.

Not only are your prepositions screwed up, now you're mashing the verbs.

No, as shown my prepositions are fine and so are my verbs, nouns, adverbs, and adjectives.

It is you who refuse to read the scriptures as they read and read something into them.

All the Calvinists I cited stated that man was involved in the salvation event, but it was not a work since faith is not a work, not because man is not doing something.

825 posted on 01/27/2005 5:08:12 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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