Not until you claim it, it does you no good, it remains in the bank. (real hard to understand)
Oh brother! ***The money yours...*** Did you mean that the "money IS mine?" You are starting to become hard to read.
Excuse the typing, but I think you understand what it meant.
Ok, so the money is mine and it is in an account with my name on it. Yet, somehow, despite all this, I still have to go to the bank and claim the money that is mine and is in an account with my name on it.
Oh, my, that is sooooo hard to understand.
You have to claim the money.
Maybe the account is really not my account, but some guy who has my exact same name. Maybe the bank (read God) messed up the transactions and I have to go claim (straighten things out) my money.
Maybe everything is perfect and all you do have to do is claim the money.
Maybe that is what you mean.
No, what I mean is that the money has been deposited and is waiting for you to claim it.
***No, God has made all men savable if they will accept the free offer of salvation, since the debt has been fully paid.*** If the debt has been paid for every man, then why are all men not saved? Does man still owe God something or not. If not, then there is nothing owed. If man owes, then Jesus did not pay the full debt for every man.
No man owes God anything since God has paid the debt for all men.
Man, this Arminianism sure is confusing.
No, not really, you are just confused
***The reason they do not salvation is not because it is not available to them, but because they do not accept the free gift.*** What does this mean: "The reason they do not salvation?" You really are not making very good sense right now.
The reason they do not have salvation (but you knew that)
Let me modify the analogy a bit. Let us say that you owe a million dollars and that if you don't pay, you will be cast into debtors prison until the full debt is paid. Some man comes along and pays your debt. There is not any requirement for you to accept this gift; it was legally applied to your account for your benefit. All you must do is enjoy the gift. Now, that makes more sense than this bank job wierdness.
No requirement to accept the gift, not even believing that it is there?
My, my salvation without faith.
And you say my analogy is weird.
You are never going to get through to him. Kinda reminds me of an old surf wagon I used to know.
***Not until you claim it, it does you no good, it remains in the bank. (real hard to understand)***
Yes, I understand. The is in an account with my name, but it not really mine until I withdrawl it. Of course, this is not how banks work at all. If the money is in my account, then it is mine. I don't have to claim it.
But, I guess that you can have your bank account and the money that is not really yours until you withrawal it. BTW, can I go get the money that is in your account but not really yours? I could do some things with it.
***No requirement to accept the gift, not even believing that it is there?***
Yes, you are correct that I am not required to accept the gift and no you are wrong about the belief. I said that all I have to do is enjoy the gift. In order to actually enjoy the gift, you have to know that it is there.
It is not really hard.
I enjoy my salvation, the salvation that the Father elected me to, the Son secured for me with his Penal Substitutionary Atonement, and that the Holy Spirit communicated to me. I don't believe that it is there in order to make it real. That sounds kinda mystic.
I believe that I am saved. I don't believe in order to get saved. All I have to do is enjoy the gift and glorify the giver.
Of course, the funny thing here is that your analogy doesn't exist anywhere, especially not in a real bank. My analogy exits both in the Bible and used to be the way debtors prison worked in England.
In the service of the Lord,
Christian.