[fortheDeclaration]

Calvin: "The next question is, in what way do men receive that salvation which is offered to them by the hand of God? The answer is, by faith; and hence he concludes that nothing connected with it is our own."

There is not an Arminian on the threads (that I know of) who would disagree with Calvin's statement.

The fact is, faith comes before regeneration, not after, since there is something man has to do before he is born again, he has to believe

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Fallen man can do nothing to save himself, most especially believe that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior.

What do you think was was the point Christ raising Lazarus from the dead? He wasn't asleep and he couldn't get up on his own. He was dead.

That's the entire point and purpose of creation. Adam couldn't obey, even with free will.

And if Adam couldn't obey, we sure can't, either.

Salvation is of the Lord.

[nobdysfool]

there is something man has to do before he is born again, he has to believe

Let me get this straight...man has to DO something, but that something he DOES is not a work. A work is, by definition, DOING something. So if he must DO something, how can it not be a work?

Again, you want to have it both ways, in order to preserve your false ordo salutis.