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What Must I Do To Be Saved?
Worthynews.com ^ | July 11th, 1875 | D. L. Moody

Posted on 01/21/2005 6:34:28 AM PST by P-Marlowe

Jesus Christ is calling you ...

What Must I Do To Be Saved?

Dwight Lyman Moody's Last Sermon in London. Preached in Camberwell Hall, Sunday Evening, July 11th, 1875.

Suppose you do not want to hear a sermon (on this last night) so much as you want to know how to be saved. I want, if I can, to answer that question, "What must I do to be saved?" There is no question that can come before us in this world that is so important; and I think that there is not a man in this audience to-night who does not feel interested in it.

I heard a man, when he was going out the other night, saying: "I do not believe in sudden conversion. I do not believe what the preacher said to-night, that a man could come in here a sinner, and go out a Christian." Now, I want to say that I do not believe in any other conversion. I do not believe that there ever has been a conversion in the world that was not instantaneous, and I want you to mark this: not but what many cannot tell the day nor the hour when they were converted. I will admit that: they may not know the time; but that does not change the great fact that there was a time when they passed from death unto life; that there was a time when they were born [ABCOG: begotten] into the kingdom of God. There must have been a minute when their name was written in the Book of Life. There must have been a time when they were ere lost, and a time when they were saved; but we may not be conscious when the change takes place. I believe the conversion of some is like the rising of the sun, and of others like the flashing of a meteor. But both are instantaneous, really, in the sight of God. There must be a time when life begins to rise; when the dead soul begins to live.

Now, this evening I want to take up some of the Bible illustrations. In the first place, there is the ark. There was a minute when Noah was outside of the ark, and another minute when he was inside. And, bear in mind, it was the ark that saved Noah: it was not his righteousness; it was not his feelings; it was not his tears; it was not his prayers. It was the ark that saved him. If he had tried to make an ark of his feelings, or of his prayers, or of his life, he would have been swept away: he would have been drowned with the rest. But, you see, it was the ark that saved him.

When I was in Manchester, I went into the gallery one Sunday night to have a talk with a few inquirers; and while I was talking, a business man came in, and took his seat on the outskirts of the audience. I think, at first, he had come merely to criticize, and that he was a little skeptical. At last I saw he was in tears. I turned to him, and said, " My friend, what is your difficulty?" "Well," he said, "Mr. Moody, the fact is, I cannot tell." I said, "Do you believe you are a sinner?" He said, "Yes; I know that." I said, "Christ is able to save you"; and I used one illustration after another, but he did not see it. At last I thought of the ark, and I said: "Was it Noah's feelings that saved him? Was it Noah's righteousness that saved him, or was it the ark?" "I see it, now," said he; "I see it." He got up and shook hands with me, and said: "Good-night: I must go. I have to go away by the train to-night; but I was determined to be saved before I went. I see it now."

A few days after, he came and touched me on the shoulder, and said, "Do you know me? " I said, "I know your face, but do not remember where I have seen you." He said, "Do you not remember the illustration of the ark? I said, " Yes." "It has been all light ever since," said he. "I understand it now. Christ is the Ark; He saves me; and I must get inside Him." When I went down to Manchester again, and talked to the young friends there, I found he was the brightest light among them.

Let me take another illustration. There was the blood in Goshen. God says, "When I see the blood I will pass over you." Now He does not say, "When I see Moses' feelings, or the feelings of the people, I will pass over you"; or, "When I see you praying and weeping, I will pass over you"; but, "When I see the blood I will pass over you." It was the blood that saved them, not their righteousness. And a little child by that blood in Goshen was just as safe as Moses or Aaron or Joshua or Caleb. It was the blood that saved them. Look! there is the Jew taking the hyssop. He dips it in the blood, and strikes it on the doorpost. One minute it is not there: the next it is there. The moment the blood is there they are saved. God says, "When I see the blood I will pass over you." Some people say, "If I were only as good as that minister I should feel so safe" or, "If I were only as good as that mother in Israel who has been praying fifty years for the poor and unfortunate, should I not feel very safe? " My friends, if you are behind the blood, you are as safe as any man or woman who has been praying for fifty years. It is not their righteousness and good works that are going to save them. They never saved any one. God says, "When I see the blood I will pass over you." [ABCOG: Moody understands "pass over" to mean "bypass". It can also mean "hover over to protect"] And when I am sheltered behind the blood, then I am saved; and if I am not sheltered behind the blood, I am not saved. That was instantaneous, was not it? God says, "When I see the blood, it shall be a token, and I will not enter." Death came down and passed over Egypt; and where the blood was on the doorpost he passed by; but where the blood could not be found, in he went and took the victim away. The great palaces could not keep out death; wealth and position could not keep out death. He went and took the Crown Prince of Egypt; he took the richest and the poorest, the highest and the lowest. Death makes no distinction, except a man is behind the blood.

My friends, be wise to-night, and get behind the blood. The blood has been shed. The blood is on the mercy-seat; and while it is there you can be saved. God is imputing to His Son your trespasses and sins. He says, "I will look at the blood on the mercy-seat." Press in, my friends; make haste and get in tonight; for the Master of the house will rise up by-and-by and shut to the door, and then there will be no hope.

Take another case. When Israel went over Jordan, God told Joshua to have six cities of refuge; three on each side of Jordan. They were to be built on a hill, where they could be seen at a great distance, and the gates were to be kept open day and night. All obstacles were to be kept out of the way, the highway was to be kept in repair, the bridges and everything in good condition, so that nothing should hinder a poor man flying to the city of refuge. If a man killed another in those days, it was considered a great disgrace if the nearest relative did not take vengeance. "An eye for an eye, and a booth for a tooth." If a man killed another, the next kinsman was bound to put him to death. But if he could escape to a city of refuge he was tried, and if it was found he had not intentionally killed the man, he might live.

Now for my illustration. Suppose I have killed a man. I am out away in the woods working, and my axe slips out of my hand, and kills the man working with me. I know that his kinsman, his brother, is not far away. The news will soon reach him that I have killed his brother. What shall I do? I start for the city of refuge, over there away on the hill, ten miles off. I run - and we are told that in those days there used to be signposts with the word " Refuge," written in great red letters, so that a man might read as he ran; he need not stop. I have been told that there was a finger pointing towards the city, and a man who could not read might see the hand. A man does not have to learn to read before he can be saved. I see that hand; it is pointing to the city of refuge. The gate is wide open, but it is ten miles away. I leap over the highway. I do not look behind, to the right hand or to the left. I do not listen to this man or to that man, but, like John Bunyan, I put my fingers in my ears. The avenger has drawn his sword, and is on my track. I leap over into the highway; and, pretty soon, I can hear him behind me, Away I go, over that bridge, across that stream, up that mountain, along that valley, - but I can hear him coming nearer and nearer. There is the watchman; I can see him on the wall of the city. He gives notice to the inhabitants that a refugee is coming. I see the citizens on the wall of the city watching, and when I get near I hear them calling, "Run, run! Escape, escape! He is very near you! Run! escape!" I press on; leap through the gate of the city; and at last I am safe. One minute I am outside, and the next I am inside. One minute I am exposed to that sword; it may come down upon me at any minute: the next minute I am safe. Do I feel any difference? I feel I am behind the walls: that is the difference. It is a fact. There I am. The avenger can come up to the gates of the city, but he cannot come in. He cannot lay his sword upon me. The law of the land shields me now. I am under the protection of that city; I have saved my life; but I had no time for lingering.

A great many of you are trying to get into the city of refuge, and there are enemies trying to stop you, But do not listen to them. Your friends tell you to escape. Make haste! Delay not for a single moment!

In our country, before the war, when we had slavery, the slaves used to keep their eye on the north star. If a slave escaped to the Northern States, his old master could come and take him back into slavery. But there was another flag on American soil, and if they could only get under that flag they were for ever free. It is called the Union Jack. If they could only get as far north as Canada they were free; therefore they kept looking towards the north star. But they knew if they only got into the Northern States, there might be some one ready to take them back. So it is with every poor sinner who wants to come to Christ. Many men do all they can to hinder him; others will cheer him on. Let us help every man towards the north star. A man has escaped: perhaps he swims across the Mississippi river, or crosses the Ohio river in a little canoe. The master hears of it, and he takes his hounds and sets them on his track, and begins to hunt him down. The slave hears the hounds; and he knows that his master is coming to take him back to slavery. The line is a mile or two away. He escapes as fast as he can. He runs with all his might for the frontier, over hedges and ditches and rivers; away he goes for Canada. By-and-by he comes in sight of Canada. He can see that flag floating in front of him; and he knows that if he can only cross the line before his master and the hounds overtake him, he will be free for ever.

How the poor black man runs! leaping and bounding along; and at last, with one bound, he goes over the line. He is free! One minute he is a slave; the next minute he is a free man, under the flag of Queen Victoria, the British flag! (cheers [ABCOG: by British crowd]) - don't cheer, my friends, but come to Christ - and your laws say that no man under that flag shall be a slave. One minute he is a slave; the next minute he is a free man. One minute it is possible for his old master to drag him back; the next minute he shouts, "Free!"

If Christ tells us that we are free, we are free. My friends, Christ is calling to-night. Get out of the devil's territory as quick as you can. No slave in the Southern States had so hard a master as yours, nor so mean a master as Satan. Take my advice tonight, and escape for the liberty of your soul.

I can imagine some of you saying "I do not see how a man is really going to be converted all at once." Let me give you another illustration. Look down there. There are two soldiers. Now, if you bring those soldiers up to this platform, and ask them how they became soldiers, they will tell you this - that one moment they were citizens, and the next minute soldiers. What was it that made them soldiers? It was when they took the Queen's shilling. The moment they received that shilling they ceased to be citizens, and they became soldiers. Before they received that shilling they could go where they pleased; the next minute they came under the government and under the regulations of the army, and they must go where Queen Victoria sends them. They did not have to wait for the uniform. The minute they received the shilling they became soldiers. What made them soldiers? Receiving the shilling. What makes a man a Christian? Receiving Christ. "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not: but as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God."

Now, the gift of God is eternal life. Who will have the gift to-night? When I was down in Manchester I asked that question, and a man shouted in the meeting, "I will! " Who will have it now? Is not there some man here in London, as there was in Manchester, who will say that he will have the gift? Is it not a wonder to have to plead with so many to take the gift? "The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life." Who will have the gift now? (Many responses of "I will"; "I will.")

I can imagine one man down there who says "How about repentance? How about getting into the ark or the city of refuge before repentance?" My friend, let me ask you what is repentance? It is right-about-face! I think these soldiers understand that expression. Some one has said that every one is born with his back to God, and that conversion turns him right round. If you want to be converted, and want to repent, I will tell you what you should do. Just get out of Satan's service, and get into the Lord's. Leave your old friends, and unite yourself with God's people.

In a few days, if nothing happens, I expect to go to Liverpool. If, when I am in the train, my friend Mr. Shipton says, "Moody, you are going in the wrong train, - that train is going to Edinburgh" - I should say, "Mr. Shipton, you have made a great mistake; somebody told me the train was going to Liverpool. You are wrong, Mr. Shipton; I am sure you are wrong." Then Mr. Shipton would say, "Moody, I have lived here forty years, and I know all about the trains. He must have been very ignorant or very vicious who told you that train goes to Liverpool." Mr. Shipton at last convinces me, and I get out of that train and get into the one going to Liverpool.

Repentance is getting out of one train and getting into the other. You are in the wrong train; you are in the broad path that takes you down to the pit of hell. Get out of it to-night. Right-about-face! Who will turn his feet towards God? "Turn ye, for why will ye die?" In the Old Testament the word is "turn." In the New Testament the word is "repent." "Turn ye, for why will ye die, O house of Israel?" God does not want any man in this audience to perish, but He wants all to be saved. You can be saved now if you will.

There is another illustration I wish I had time to dwell upon and that is about looking. There is that serpent in the wilderness. "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man also be lifted up, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Look here! Just give me your attention for a few minutes. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ." How long does it take a man to believe? Or, if you will, how long does it take a man to look? Some people say they believe in educating people to be Christians. How long do you educate children to look? You hear the mother say, "Look," and the little child looks. It does not take a child three months to learn to look. Look and live! You need not go to college to learn how to look. There is not a child here but knows how to look. Christ says, "Look unto me; for I am [ABCOG: the way to] God, and there is none else."

There is the brazen serpent on the pole. God says to the children of Israel, who are dying of the bite of the fiery serpents - "Look, and live!"

Now, there is nothing in looking at a piece of brass which can cure the bite of a serpent. It is God who cures it, and the looking is the condition. It is obedience; and that is what God will have.

One moment the poor sufferer is dying; the next there comes a thrill of life through his veins, and he lives: he is well. My friends, look to Christ, and not to yourselves. That is what is the matter with a great many sinners; instead of looking to Christ, they are looking at the bite.

It is not looking to the wound; it is looking to the remedy. Christ is the remedy of sin. What you want is to look from the wound to the remedy - to Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith. Who will look tonight, and live? Turn your eye to Calvary; believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.


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To: P-Marlowe
(although I hold out hope that many of them repented as the water approached nose level).

I share your desire to see some saved, but the Ark represented salvation.

Only those who were in it were save since they believed God.

Enoch (a type of the church) was 'raptured' out before the flood.

All those who went through the flood had time to repent but refused.

It is more likely that they had become so hardened that they were unable to repent even with the water coming over them.

41 posted on 01/21/2005 2:32:39 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: P-Marlowe

You are trying to place items of the New Covenant on those who were under the Old Covenant. That is not Biblical. The Old Testament patriarchs did not require baptism because they lived under a Law which required many sacrifices. The final sacrifice was made when Christ died and rose again.


42 posted on 01/21/2005 2:32:52 PM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122; P-Marlowe
Actually, there are four Gospels and that is where one must 'rightly divide' to understand the different baptism's .

Below is from the Scofield Reference Bible,

gospel

Gospel. This great theme may be summarized as follows:

I. In itself the word Gospel means good news.

II. Four forms of the Gospel are to be distinguished"

(1) The Gospel of the kingdom. This is the good news that God purposes to set up on the earth, in fulfilment of the Davidic Covenant 2 Samuel 7:16 a kingdom, political, spiritual, Israelitish, universal, over which God's Son, David's heir, shall be King, and which shall be, for one thousand years, the manifestation of the righteousness of God in human affairs. (See Scofield "Matthew 3:2") .

Two preachings of this Gospel are mentioned, one past, beginning with the ministry of John the Baptist, continued by our Lord and His disciples, and ending with the Jewis rejection of the King. The other is yet future Matthew 24:14 during the great tribulation, and immediately preceding the coming of the King in glory.

(2) The Gospel of the grace of God. This is the good news that Jesus Christ, the rejected King, has died on the cross for the sins of the world, that He was raised from the dead for our justification, and that by Him all that believe are justified from all things. This form of the Gospel is described in many ways. It is the Gospel "of God" Romans 1:1 because it originates in His love; "of Christ" 2 Corinthians 10:14 because it flows from His sacrifice, and because He is the alone Object of Gospel faith; of the "grace of God" Acts 20:24 because it saves those whom the law curses; of "the glory" ; 1 Timothy 1:11; 2 Corinthians 4:4 because it concerns Him who is in the glory, and who is bringing the many sons to glory Hebrews 2:10 of "our salvation" Ephesians 1:13 because it is the "power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" Romans 1:16 of "the uncircumcision" Galatians 2:7 because it saves wholly apart from forms and ordinances of "peace" Ephesians 6:15 because through Christ it makes peace between the sinner and God, and imparts inward peace.

(3) The everlasting Gospel Revelation 14:6. This is to be preached to the earth-dwellers at the very end of the great tribulation and immediately preceding the judgment of the nations Matthew 15:31. It is neither the Gospel of the kingdom, nor of grace. Though its burden is judgment, not salvation, it is good news to Israel and to those who, during the tribulation, have been saved ; Revelation 7:9-14; Luke 21:28; Psalms 96:11-13; Isaiah 35:4-10.

(4) That which Paul calls, "my Gospel" Romans 2:16. This is the Gospel of the grace of God in its fullest development, but includes the revelation of the result of that Gospel in the outcalling of the church, her relationships, position, privileges, and responsibility. It is the distinctive truth of Ephesians and Colossians, but interpenetrates all of Paul's writings.

III. There is "another Gospel" Galatians 1:6; 2 Corinthians 11:4 "which is not another," but a perversion of the Gospel of the grace of God, against which we are warned. It has many seductive forms, but the test is one--it invariably denies the sufficiency of grace alone to save, keep, and perfect, and mingles with grace some kind of human merit. In Galatia it was law, in Colosse fanaticism Colossians 2:18, etc. In any form its teachers lie under the awful anathema of God.

I hope that you are not depending on anything (including water baptism) but the shed blood of Christ for your salvation.

43 posted on 01/21/2005 2:42:58 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: jkl1122; fortheDeclaration; HarleyD; Lexinom
...by those who cling to the Bible as their only source of doctrine

Count me clinging, by the grace of God alone.

44 posted on 01/21/2005 2:44:30 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Count me clinging, by the grace of God alone.

Amen!

45 posted on 01/21/2005 2:52:45 PM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: jkl1122; P-Marlowe
Jesus said: Lu 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

I'm understanding that John the Baptist was not included in the era of the Kingdom of God. He was the voice of one crying in the wilderness, "PREPARE the way of the Lord..." That way was not part of John's mission. In fact, the baptism of John was INEFFECTIVE for the Kingdom of God and a Christian era baptism was required of disciples of John in the book of Acts.

Mt 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence , and the violent take it by force.

It was a "baptism of REPENTANCE for the remission of sins." The baptism was a sign of the preceding repentance which was for the remission of sins. That is why obedience to this instruction gives an indication of true belief EXCEPT in cases of extremity such as the thief on the cross.

46 posted on 01/21/2005 3:01:34 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: jkl1122
Baptism is not a requirement. Recall the thief on the cross next to Christ wasn't baptized, didn't have communion or anything else. It was FAITH that saved him as well as anyone today. Faith and following Biblically teachings are all it takes. Baptism is nice but again certainly not a requirement.
47 posted on 01/21/2005 3:05:13 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Below is from the Scofield Reference Bible,

Quoting Scofield on this forum is the equivalent of saying that you liked "A Purpose Driven Life" and thought it was a fabulous devotional.

Watch for falling brimstones.

48 posted on 01/21/2005 3:09:19 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: jkl1122; Gingersnap; P-Marlowe; Dr. Eckleburg; Lexinom; HarleyD; Corin Stormhands; ...
coming to faith...death before baptism...what God will do?

As you can tell from my tagline, I am a retired army chaplain. What is offered as a hypothetical is discussed among military chaplains as a reality. Battlefield chaplains have with wartime regularity been confronted with exactly this situation. For baptists it pushes their understanding of baptism by immersion; for Church of Christ (and others) it pushes their understanding of baptismal regeneration. Baptists will tell of baptizing with a canteen, and others will tell of no baptism at all because the situation and enemy fire is simply too great. Sacramental Christians will agonize over troops doomed within a contaminated area, because they cannot be present to administer that sacrament without consigning themselves to death.

Across the spectrum of chaplains, I never ran across one from any denominational group that believed God would be anything except understanding of those confronted by in extremis circumstances.

49 posted on 01/21/2005 3:15:33 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe
faith precedes believing

I don't think you mean that. You mean "regeneration precedes believing" don't you?

To have faith IS to be believing. Faith and Belief are synonymns in my view, therefore, one cannot precede the other.

50 posted on 01/21/2005 3:20:30 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: MN_Rightside
I agree that following through with baptism is critical except in an emergency situation.

Not following through with baptism when it is a clear instruction is disobedience to God, and is probably a sign that the FAITH wasn't real in the first place.

51 posted on 01/21/2005 3:24:45 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

After reading this and other events that transpired today, I need all the prayer I can get. :(


52 posted on 01/21/2005 3:32:33 PM PST by DarthDilbert
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To: xzins

I agree about baptism. There are some who are not afforded the luxury of a baptism tank in many of the military chapel.

I remember becoming convicted that I needed to be baptized in a remote part of Turkey. I went over to the senior elder about 10:00pm late one February night and told him I wanted to be baptized by him right now. It was about 30 degrees outside with a snow storm and the only place we had available was the Sea of MarMar. He convinced me to wait a couple of days until we could gather the believers around. A freak southern breeze came up providing an unusual warm day (around 70) and I was baptized.

It was a wonderful experience but we didn't have a place to be baptized on base. If I was in the dessert I guess the only thing I could have done was be sprinkled.


53 posted on 01/21/2005 3:55:57 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: P-Marlowe
Ctrl S
54 posted on 01/21/2005 3:57:18 PM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: MN_Rightside

I would agree with everything you've said but what was it that made Noah righteous? God gave the instructions and Noah obeyed. God also gave him all the skills and fortitude to help him complete his task. Likewise God gives us our instructions and skills. It is He who bears are fruit.


55 posted on 01/21/2005 4:05:28 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe

I think you're right. I've been predestined to develop a sinus infection today to God's glory. I think I'll retire now before my mind shuts off totally. (And no wise cracks.) :O)


56 posted on 01/21/2005 4:08:43 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: humblegunner; xzins; fortheDeclaration
Ctrl S

LOL

If you believe the Calvinists on these threads, that appears to be the method God uses. He just picks out people on the monitor and presses Ctrl "S" and presto they are saved.

For the reprobates I suppose he sees them on the monitor and presses "Del" and off they go to outer darkness.

57 posted on 01/21/2005 4:09:31 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: HarleyD
I would suppose that if we let Gen 6:22 and 7:1 run together we have, "Gen6:22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God had commanded him, so he did.Gen 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Enter the ark, you and all your household, for you {alone} I have seen {to be} righteous before Me in this time.

Noah has apparently done everything God has asked of him thus far. God has said he is now righteous. I find it interesting upon further inspection that God orders him into the ark as a final "command" and then states that he is righteous.

58 posted on 01/21/2005 4:55:03 PM PST by MN_Rightside
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To: xzins; HarleyD; Lexinom
Sacramental Christians will agonize over troops doomed within a contaminated area, because they cannot be present to administer that sacrament without consigning themselves to death.

Such are the terrible heartbreaks of war.

But as Christians we need to remind ourselves and each other that God is always and everywhere at the side of those who love Him. The River Jordan or Harley's desert sprinkles are all the same to God -- outward human remembrances of His promise that help us feel closer to Him, not the other way around. We have all the assurance we need in His word.

"For the LORD will not forsake his people for his great name's sake: because it hath pleased the LORD to make you his people." -- 1 Samuel 12:22.

"Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD." -- Jonah 2:1-9.

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." -- Romans 8:35-39.

59 posted on 01/21/2005 6:12:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: P-Marlowe
If God promises to do x if a man will do y and when a man then does x and God does not do y, then what is God?

In this case, a lot more perceptive than you. If it is God who promises to do x, then for man to do x means that x is not anything supernatural, otherwise only God could do it. If God promises to do x if man does y, then if man does x, there is no need for God to do y. Man has done it all!

60 posted on 01/21/2005 6:23:38 PM PST by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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